bd71 Posted September 9, 2012 Report Share Posted September 9, 2012 [hv=pc=n&w=sqt7hkt754d65cj32&d=w&v=n&b=12&a=p1hd2hppdp]133|200[/hv] Matchpoints Question in poll... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quantumcat Posted September 10, 2012 Report Share Posted September 10, 2012 Partner should have about a 17-count or better with 4144 or 42(34) (maybe the opponents are playing Acol, or responder raised with honour doubleton). He won't have a five-card suit or he should have overcalled it since he has the values to make a takeout double on the next round. We don't have any fits that should distract from defence (an 8 or 9 card fit might mean partner's AK does not cash). It is way easier to take six tricks in a contract in your suit than 8 in a non-fit. I can't find any reason not to pass. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ggwhiz Posted September 10, 2012 Report Share Posted September 10, 2012 I'm leaving it in and make us at least a 3-1 favorite to get a top with pards nice hand behind the opener. I have eventual entries to lead through and push that advantage home. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMoe Posted September 10, 2012 Report Share Posted September 10, 2012 Agreeing with Quantumcat and ggwhiz. Partner might be competing with ♠AKxx ♥- ♦AKxx ♣Qxxxx (minors either way) - a nice three suiter that has a very weak 5-card minor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
semeai Posted September 10, 2012 Report Share Posted September 10, 2012 I'll pass. It's likely enough to work, and the alternatives are not great. I don't think partner needs a 17 count, though. Partner's balancing, we're playing matchpoints, we're white. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted September 10, 2012 Report Share Posted September 10, 2012 I'd go with 2S and don't really think it's close, partner has a heart void and can double much lighter than 17. They might well compete to 3H. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted September 10, 2012 Report Share Posted September 10, 2012 Let's watch all the votes for 2♠ roll in 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_clown Posted September 10, 2012 Report Share Posted September 10, 2012 At MP I would try for 200, at IMPS I am always pulling to 2♠ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted September 10, 2012 Report Share Posted September 10, 2012 passsing with weak hearts missplaced is not gonna be fun. Partner having a void means that we cannot draw trumps and that his strenght range is lower, both meaning that we don´t wanna play this contract. Vulnerability makes the problem even easier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wyman Posted September 10, 2012 Report Share Posted September 10, 2012 Vote for pass rolling in after Justin bids 2S. Though his vote will make me far less surprised when it turns out I'm wrong... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil_20686 Posted September 10, 2012 Report Share Posted September 10, 2012 I'd go with 2S and don't really think it's close, partner has a heart void and can double much lighter than 17. They might well compete to 3H. I am not convinced this is true. Most people play this as a lebensohl position these days, so if partner has weak hands and any shape in a minor he could have got into the auction already. So the doubler should be looking to play the three level opposite a balanced hand that may well not even have a four card suit to bid. I mean, I guess I would double decent 15's, so if that is what you meant by "much lighter" I guess we are not so far away, but would you not like to defend at MP red vs green, with this hand? I see 200 as pretty likely. More than 50% anyway. Even if it is cold, most club players find bad breaks unfamiliar territory, and might well go off. (PS: I will join the chorus of people who would bid 2S at imps). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kuhchung Posted September 10, 2012 Report Share Posted September 10, 2012 Let's watch all the votes for 2♠ roll in hahaha love it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ggwhiz Posted September 10, 2012 Report Share Posted September 10, 2012 This might be a style thing. We take a lot of liberties with our overcalls including 4-carders and mean it with our doubles. With pards expected heart void we also tend to overcall first and follow it with a T/O double on the weaker ones. I'm on firm ground with my pass (imps as well as mp's) but if you play lighter shape doubles you are not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr1303 Posted September 10, 2012 Report Share Posted September 10, 2012 I think at MPs pass is clear, since we will frequently get +200 here, and our chances for a game of our own look slim. At IMPs -470 is a very poor score, and so would bid 2S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted September 10, 2012 Report Share Posted September 10, 2012 Some people in forums know, Phil even calles it a "Timo pass", that i convert a lot of doubles to penalty that most people wont do. JJ from LA even told me back then that i am crazy but somehow i have a sick accuracy. Yet i was the first 2 ♠ voter in this topic. I even wrote a huge long ass post, then deleted it. What i did was to give pd a reasonable hand which will not possibly stomach passing in pass out seat and these colors at MP. I gave flat 5 hcps to responder and i gave 12-14 range 5332 hand to opener. And since i dont have a simulation tool i just put it to DD solver and started playing with the cards of opponents and partners. I did 21 different tests (i knw thats nothing compared to simulation ) All 21 of them made 2♥ some of them overtricks. 19 of them made 2♠ at the same time !! That was a surprise to me. Before you all start a bitchfest about double dummy, i have to remind that DD works for the benefit of defense, especially at low level contracts. Especially on this hand where declarer has almost all the info he needs but defenders dont. I admit my results are not reliable, but lets say someone good at simulating found out that there are more hands that we defeat 2♥ (i am sure there are), how much more defeat justifies passing this dbl ? % 40 ? % 50 of the time ? On the other hand a simulator will not keep opponent hands 5332 vs 4342 (which i did), it will deal some unbalanced hands too. But when voting for 2♠ i didnt think any of those, pass just seemed wrong to my eyes looking at this hand. I may be wrong of course, at least the poll says i am wrong :) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil_20686 Posted September 10, 2012 Report Share Posted September 10, 2012 I may be wrong of course, at least the poll says i am wrong :) I wish for all polls to be public polls. I really want to know what the other strong players on the forum did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted September 11, 2012 Report Share Posted September 11, 2012 Let's watch all the votes for 2♠ roll in Works in reverse when you say this imo :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted September 11, 2012 Report Share Posted September 11, 2012 Well regardless of any post, I would bid 2S and I do not think this is close. The hearts are not good enough to pass. Why cannot doubler have a weaker hand with excellent distribution? He does not need a 17 count. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quantumcat Posted September 11, 2012 Report Share Posted September 11, 2012 Well regardless of any post, I would bid 2S and I do not think this is close. The hearts are not good enough to pass. Why cannot doubler have a weaker hand with excellent distribution? He does not need a 17 count.If he has a normal takeout double, if we thought we should be in the auction knowing that, we would have bid. Why should he repeat himself? That would be like a 1nt opener rebidding 2nt over interference with responder passing throughout. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bd71 Posted September 11, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 11, 2012 [hv=pc=n&s=s9652hq83dk872cq9&w=sqt7hkt754d65cj32&n=s84haj962dt4cak85&e=sakj3hdaqj93ct764&d=w&v=n&b=12&a=p1hd2hppdppp]399|300[/hv] Here's the full hand. A♠ led, then A♦, small♦. Our (E/W) result: -870 for 2♥X+1 Comments welcome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted September 11, 2012 Report Share Posted September 11, 2012 [hv=pc=n&s=s9652hq83dk872cq9&w=sqt7hkt754d65cj32&n=s84haj962dt4cak85&e=sakj3hdaqj93ct764&d=w&v=n&b=12&a=p1hd2hppdppp]399|300[/hv] Here's the full hand. A♠ led, then A♦, small♦. Our (E/W) result: -870 for 2♥X+1 Comments welcome. And 2 ♠ is cold as well on any lead. Way to go LOTT ! 15 trumps but 17 tricks ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted September 11, 2012 Report Share Posted September 11, 2012 Are there really 9 tricks for NS? The small ♦ at trick two was a mistake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil_20686 Posted September 11, 2012 Report Share Posted September 11, 2012 Are there really 9 tricks for NS? The small ♦ at trick two was a mistake. NS get three clubs, one diamond, and can come to 5 trump tricks by ruffing spades and then end playing west by ruffing the fourth club with a middle heart. Think that works. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BunnyGo Posted September 11, 2012 Report Share Posted September 11, 2012 Comments welcome. Pass is pretty bad. East has exactly what I expected when I picked "bid 2 spades." The main flaws towards passing in my eyes: 1) The heart suit isn't that great, and is under the heart bidder. You can expect 2 tricks in it at most.2) The rest of your hand is flat with no defense. You can expect your honors to contribute 1 trick, at most.3) Your partner has a heart void, and 40(54) shape, he'll be doubling with almost any reasonable hand here--doesn't necessarily have aces, could be kings and jacks--can't count on him for 2 tricks defense, let alone the needed 3 or 4, his hand is offensively oriented. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted September 11, 2012 Report Share Posted September 11, 2012 And, as is often the case, north was going to compete to 3H I would imagine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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