aguahombre Posted September 9, 2012 Report Share Posted September 9, 2012 I wonder about putting down the suit I expected them to lead first. Am I confirming their choice as best, when I am right? If I am wrong, am I giving them food for thought about auction inferences I had, but they didn't until now? Other than avoiding the placement of a suit partner has bid on my right, I try to just get the dummy down there and sit back. Unless I want to mess with everyone, of course. Like with unexpected length, putting half the suit down first and then the rest as a fifth suit. Or, knowing pard will be relying on values/length, I enjoy putting down two small as my first act. She is used to that, and just says "knock it off", before I finish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSGibson Posted September 9, 2012 Report Share Posted September 9, 2012 Trump, then closest to my thumb. I don't even pay attention enough to have alternating colors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quantumcat Posted September 9, 2012 Report Share Posted September 9, 2012 .....Unless I want to mess with everyone, of course. Like with unexpected length, putting half the suit down first and then the rest as a fifth suit. Or, knowing pard will be relying on values/length, I enjoy putting down two small as my first act. She is used to that, and just says "knock it off", before I finish.lol me too. Also If I have values in only one suit I like to put all the others down first. Really, anything that can give pard a heart attack is fun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackshoe Posted September 9, 2012 Report Share Posted September 9, 2012 Really, anything that can give pard a heart attack is fun.Given the age of some of the people I play with, I would question that. :ph34r: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barmar Posted September 9, 2012 Report Share Posted September 9, 2012 My partner will occasionally lay out the suits in a way that looks like he didn't have his bid, then add some cards to the critical suit at the end to make it right. It no longer surprises me, but maybe it amuses the opps who haven't seen it before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rossoneri Posted September 10, 2012 Report Share Posted September 10, 2012 My partner will occasionally lay out the suits in a way that looks like he didn't have his bid, then add some cards to the critical suit at the end to make it right. It no longer surprises me, but maybe it amuses the opps who haven't seen it before. I did that to my partner a few nights ago, trying to wake him up. He proceeded to fall asleep and misplay the contract... Back to the original question, I put them SHCD, just in case partner's a bit colour blind... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zelandakh Posted September 10, 2012 Report Share Posted September 10, 2012 In NT I always put the cards down SHCD from the right unless we have considered spades as trumps. In that case I put them down HCDS unless hearts was also considered - and so on. Sometimes partner will move the spades back to their normal position on my right if I have put them down in the unusual order. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted September 10, 2012 Report Share Posted September 10, 2012 I have once been lectured by a defender that it has to be trump-spade-heart-diamond-club (cross out the one that is not applicable). I thought it was interesting (I knew they were wrong about the rules but it's interesting that they thought it was so). A related question: what is your position on egocentric defenders who put suits upside down (i.e. smallest card closest to them)? Do you ask them to turn it properly and if they think it's a weird/rude request, do you call the director? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted September 10, 2012 Report Share Posted September 10, 2012 lol me too. Also If I have values in only one suit I like to put all the others down first. Really, anything that can give pard a heart attack is fun.If you have a fit like AKx in slam it can be fun to say 'I hope you have good trumps partner...'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antrax Posted September 10, 2012 Report Share Posted September 10, 2012 A related question: what is your position on egocentric defenders who put suits upside down (i.e. smallest card closest to them)? Do you ask them to turn it properly and if they think it's a weird/rude request, do you call the director?Whenever a defender puts down suits on the table, I call the director. However, as dummy I sometimes (often, TBH) get confused and point the small cards towards my partner, but I never found a reminder not to do it rude, even if it comes from the opponents. I didn't think it made me egocentric, though :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted September 10, 2012 Report Share Posted September 10, 2012 Whenever a defender puts down suits on the table, I call the director. However, as dummy I sometimes (often, TBH) get confused and point the small cards towards my partner, but I never found a reminder not to do it rude, even if it comes from the opponents. I didn't think it made me egocentric, though :(Good point on both counts. :) But I think some people do do it consistently because they think it's prettier to see the suits as e.g.AJ642 as opposed to246JA They either forget that this latter layout is exactly what their partner will have to endure or they don't care, and I think both possibilities are symptoms of egocentrism :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zelandakh Posted September 10, 2012 Report Share Posted September 10, 2012 It is against the Laws gwnn, so yes I feel perfectly justified in asking Dummy to place their cards correctly. That said, the last time I did this the opponents got rather uppety about it (perhaps it was just my bad German though). Most opponents do not mind; if someone did object I would call the Director since I find it easier to visualise layouts with cards properly laid out in Dummy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted September 10, 2012 Report Share Posted September 10, 2012 It is against the Laws gwnn, so yes I feel perfectly justified in asking Dummy to place their cards correctly. That said, the last time I did this the opponents got rather uppety about it (perhaps it was just my bad German though). Most opponents do not mind; if someone did object I would call the Director since I find it easier to visualise layouts with cards properly laid out in Dummy.Yea I know it's against the rules, hence my question about the director. But I've never heard anyone call a director for something like this. Another thing that annoys me slightly is when defenders touch my cards when I'm dummy to spread them 'better,' again illegal but again I've never heard anyone call the director for it. So I usually do not call the TD lest I become a secretary bird. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zelandakh Posted September 10, 2012 Report Share Posted September 10, 2012 Another thing that annoys me slightly is when defenders touch my cards when I'm dummy to spread them 'better,' again illegal but again I've never heard anyone call the director for it. So I usually do not call the TD lest I become a secretary bird.If they were spreading them evenly then I certainly would not call the Director about it. On the other hand I am particularly anal about laying out the dummy perfectly and may well "tidy up" after the defender removed their hand. If they were having difficulty seeing the cards I would happily increase the distance between each card to satisfy them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barmar Posted September 10, 2012 Report Share Posted September 10, 2012 Most of the times I've seen people lay down dummy upside-down it has been newbies who just don't know better; I think they sort their hands that way, and don't realize that they have to reverse the suits when laying them down. There are also the ones who are new to using bidding boxes, and don't place the bidding cards so you can see all the previous bids. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted September 10, 2012 Report Share Posted September 10, 2012 There are also the ones who are new to using bidding boxes, and don't place the bidding cards so you can see all the previous bids.That is actually on-topic with the thread title, in case anyone wanted to pick on it. It is also an item on my peeve list, along with continuing to fumble with the bid or block it from view after placing the card on the table. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zelandakh Posted September 10, 2012 Report Share Posted September 10, 2012 Most of the times I've seen people lay down dummy upside-down it has been newbies who just don't know better; I think they sort their hands that way, and don't realize that they have to reverse the suits when laying them down.The above-mentioned pair were the eventual winners of the event so, while not experts, I think they were experienced enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barmar Posted September 10, 2012 Report Share Posted September 10, 2012 The above-mentioned pair were the eventual winners of the event so, while not experts, I think they were experienced enough.Sounds like he just doesn't think it matters very much, and presumably his partner has gotten used to it. I don't think I've ever run into anyone who complained when I asked them to fix the layout when they did this. I've seen some very experienced players (including world champions when I've been operating Vugraph) who like to lay down dummy's cards on an angle, sometimes approaching horizontal. Old, bad habits can be hard to break for even the best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted September 10, 2012 Report Share Posted September 10, 2012 If you have a fit like AKx in slam it can be fun to say 'I hope you have good trumps partner...'. Have played this joke on overbidding partners on numerous occasions. When partner makes a loose preempt the trump AK and spots, I will ALWAYS sweat them and put the spots down, followed by the side suits and then lastly the trump AK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bbradley62 Posted September 10, 2012 Report Share Posted September 10, 2012 Most of the times I've seen people lay down dummy upside-down it has been newbies who just don't know better; I think they sort their hands that way, and don't realize that they have to reverse the suits when laying them down.The above-mentioned pair were the eventual winners of the event so, while not experts, I think they were experienced enough.My experience is that most players who do this do so to disconcert weak opponents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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