davesayc Posted September 5, 2012 Report Share Posted September 5, 2012 playing SAYC 1♣ - (1♥)-p-(p)1nt shows (HCP)...?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wyman Posted September 5, 2012 Report Share Posted September 5, 2012 18-19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted September 5, 2012 Report Share Posted September 5, 2012 Playing the Yellow Card is not relevant, here. Any natural system with a strong NT would be the same. Above the 1NT opening, below the 2NT opening. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted September 5, 2012 Report Share Posted September 5, 2012 Although 18-19 is "correct," from a definitional standpoint, I have often wondered as to the utility of that call. It comes up so rarely, and there are often solutons with that strong of a hand anyway, should 1NT mean something else. For example, wouldn't it be nice for 1♣-(1M)-P-P-1NT to show something like a true club suit with the other major, rather than simply takeout? I mean, contrast (after 1♣-(1♠)-P-P-?) these two hands: ♠xx ♥AKxx ♦AQx ♣J10xx ♠xx ♥AKxx ♦x ♣AQJ10xx Give partner ♠Axx ♥xxx ♦xxxxx ♣Kx... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted September 5, 2012 Report Share Posted September 5, 2012 This 18-19 hands seems to come up a lot to me after this bidding and even more often after 1m- (pass) pass (some bid) And in Kens examples I would X with the first and bid 2 ♥ with the second. Should work good enough. Or is it well enough? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilKing Posted September 6, 2012 Report Share Posted September 6, 2012 Best is 1NT two-way: 18-19 bal orvoid in their suit, minimum values, can't stand a penalty pass This treatment comes with a guarantee that partner will be able to work out which hand-type you have except against people who make psychic passes of overcalls. But I guess it won't make it into the next SAYC update ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted September 6, 2012 Report Share Posted September 6, 2012 Should work good enough. Or is it well enough? It is good enough and it should work well enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lycier Posted September 11, 2012 Report Share Posted September 11, 2012 playing SAYC 1♣ - (1♥)-p-(p)1nt shows (HCP)...?? 1nt shows 18-19hcp with balanced hand and promise ♥ stopper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zelandakh Posted September 11, 2012 Report Share Posted September 11, 2012 Perhaps an interesting question is what 1♦ - (1M) - P - (P); 1NT should mean in a limited opening system (Precision, Polish, etc). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted September 11, 2012 Report Share Posted September 11, 2012 Perhaps an interesting question is what 1♦ - (1M) - P - (P); 1NT should mean in a limited opening system (Precision, Polish, etc).In Polish, 1♦ could still be 17 points (and arguably the upper limit should be higher since 1♣-1♦-1[2di] is artificial so 18-20 hands with primarily diamonds can be awkward). So I think that in Polish Club, 1NT could still be naturalish even though the 1♦ opening denies a balanced hand. In Precision I think it should be 5♦4♣, then you bid 2♣ with 4♦5♣. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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