jbaptistec Posted September 5, 2012 Report Share Posted September 5, 2012 [hv=pc=n&w=sk8hj9632da62ca54&e=saqha84dkqt85ct72]266|100[/hv]IMPs, all red, spots approximate.West deals, opps remain silent. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ggwhiz Posted September 5, 2012 Report Share Posted September 5, 2012 1♥ - 2♦ - 2nt - 3nt That's not entirely due to seeing both hands. I've had similar auctions and gone down when they run 5 clubs but many more that have worked out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antrax Posted September 5, 2012 Report Share Posted September 5, 2012 For me 1♥-2♦(GF), 2NT-3♥ (3-card GF raise), 4♥ (lousy hearts and lousy shape) P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted September 5, 2012 Report Share Posted September 5, 2012 1H-2D2N-3H....If the 2NT rebid eliminated serious/non-serious from consideration, then:3N...as an option to play there, without seeing both hands. We would have different problems because of different agreements about opener's rebid, however, and would end in 4H. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted September 5, 2012 Report Share Posted September 5, 2012 1N(12-14)-3N 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted September 5, 2012 Report Share Posted September 5, 2012 Two possibilities (assuming 2/1 GF): 1♥-2♦2NT-3♥3♣(control)-3♦(two of top three diamonds)3♠(control, not two top hearts)-4♥(no additiopnal cues available, non-serious)P 1♥-2♣(real or fit)2♦(real or balanced)-2♥(fit)2♠(control)-3♦(control, no club control, not two top hearts)4♥ If playing MICS (canape), two options: 1♥(could be balanced 11-12, 4-5♥*)-2♣/2♦(GF, deciding as above)2♥(minimum)-2NT(asking for more)3♥(balanced minimum)-3NTP *With better hearts, might have opened 1♦. 1NT(fifth heart merits upgrade to 13)-3NT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bbradley62 Posted September 5, 2012 Report Share Posted September 5, 2012 For me 1♥-2♦(GF), 2NT-3♥ (3-card GF raise), 4♥ (lousy hearts and lousy shape) PSame for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bbradley62 Posted September 5, 2012 Report Share Posted September 5, 2012 In SAYC, the auction would be:1♥-2♦(not GF)2♥-4♥ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmnka447 Posted September 5, 2012 Report Share Posted September 5, 2012 Playing stone age 2/1 --- 1 ♥ - 2 ♦ 2 ♥(minimum) - 3 ♥(GF in ♥, some slam interest) 4 ♥( minimum minimum, no slam interest unless responder has a really huge moose) - P 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbaptistec Posted September 5, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 5, 2012 Thank you for your answers.We were not playing 2/1 GF, so after 3♥ opener judged his ♦Axx was golden. Our auction went 1♥ - 2♦ -2♥1 - 3♥ -3♠2 - 4♦ -4NT3 - 5♥... (1) 2NT would have shown 15-17(2) 2nd-round control(3) RKCB Fortunately we had horrible breaks so every game was also doomed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted September 5, 2012 Report Share Posted September 5, 2012 1 Nt 3 Nt or 1 ♥ 2 ♦2 ♥ 4 ♥ or1 ♥ 2 ♦2♥ 3 ♥ (SI)3 ♠ 4♦ (Cue, Cue, but not serious..)4 ♠ 4 NT (Shows Club control, wants partner to ask, as we have the better defined hand so far) KC 5♥ pass (2 without...) We are too high. :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quantumcat Posted September 6, 2012 Report Share Posted September 6, 2012 1♥-2♦2NT-3♥3♣(control)-3♦(two of top three diamonds)3♠(control, not two top hearts)-4♥(no additiopnal cues available, non-serious)Director! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted September 6, 2012 Report Share Posted September 6, 2012 Director!Look, it was just one possible sequence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quantumcat Posted September 6, 2012 Report Share Posted September 6, 2012 Only joking :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted September 6, 2012 Report Share Posted September 6, 2012 I find it amusing how many people claim they would reach 3NT on this hand. Cyberyeti's auction is plausible.For me in a 2/1 scenario:1H 2D2H 3H4C 4H 2H = standard waiting rebid on a min, 3H = GF, 4C = non serious cue. Not all contracts make. I still have good chances on a S lead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quantumcat Posted September 6, 2012 Report Share Posted September 6, 2012 I find it amusing how many people claim they would reach 3NT on this hand.Anyone who plays a weak notrump will have an easy 1NT - 3NT auction. How is that amusing? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted September 6, 2012 Report Share Posted September 6, 2012 Not anyone who plays weak NT does so with a 5 card major. In Germany f.e. it is complete unusual. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted September 6, 2012 Report Share Posted September 6, 2012 While Germany is a country filled with world renowned bridge theoreticians, I doubt the wisdom of opening anything but 1NT on this hand playing weak notrumps. With my partner I would probably relay as east, and partner would show a 5332 distribution (any 5332). Looking at AQ tight of spades, poor hearts and a source of tricks, perhaps east would find 3NT. Our auction: 1H - 2C3C - 3D3S - 3NT? 2C = GF relay3C = no side suit, no shortness3D = ask3S = 53323NT = to play (although partner will bid again with 18-19). It is not completely clear to me that relaying on this hand is best. I could also start with 2D, then the auction would go 1H - 2D (5+, GF)2H - 3H3S (non serious) - 4H Driving to slam as west is bizarre. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted September 6, 2012 Report Share Posted September 6, 2012 Not anyone who plays weak NT does so with a 5 card major. In Germany f.e. it is complete unusual.Call that a 5 card major ? We open almost every 5 card major 332 1N, but I suspect a number of people might open this one a weak no trump even if they normally open 1M with a respectable 5M. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted September 6, 2012 Report Share Posted September 6, 2012 Han: Usual does not translate into good or preferable. It is just common. I belive that opening 1 NT with these kind of hands is a winner and I do so in all of my partnerships, but is there any hard evidence that this really is an imp winner? I think that there had been a research about this theme and that we discussed it here several years ago, but I am not sure anymore. Are there hard facts?I guess there are, but obviously my memory is no real help in this case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted September 6, 2012 Report Share Posted September 6, 2012 Sad will be the day when bridge is filled with hard facts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lowerline Posted September 7, 2012 Report Share Posted September 7, 2012 [hv=pc=n&w=sk8hj9632da62ca54&e=saqha84dkqt85ct72]266|100[/hv]IMPs, all red, spots approximate.West deals, opps remain silent. Warning: I play 2/1 inv+ 1♥-2♦2♥(1)-2nt(2)3nt(3)-4H(4) (1) minimum (11-13)(2) GF, does not have to be balanced (3♦ or 3♥ are NF)(3) balanced (5332, maybe 4-5-2-2)(4) honestly... Steven Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted September 8, 2012 Report Share Posted September 8, 2012 Han: Usual does not translate into good or preferable. It is just common. I belive that opening 1 NT with these kind of hands is a winner and I do so in all of my partnerships, but is there any hard evidence that this really is an imp winner? I think that there had been a research about this theme and that we discussed it here several years ago, but I am not sure anymore. Are there hard facts?I guess there are, but obviously my memory is no real help in this case. No, there is no hard evidence to the general proposition that opening 1NT with a 5-card major is a long term imp winner. In general, I don't open 1NT with a 5-card major. However, I would open this hand 1NT playing weak NT and think it's pretty obvious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted September 8, 2012 Report Share Posted September 8, 2012 No, there is no hard evidence to the general proposition that opening 1NT with a 5-card major is a long term imp winner. I agree about no hard evidence. It is too dependent upon who is doing it (or not doing it), plus the tools they have. And, maybe I just agree with the "celebs" who do it, because we do it, too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quantumcat Posted September 9, 2012 Report Share Posted September 9, 2012 I agree about no hard evidence. It is too dependent upon who is doing it (or not doing it), plus the tools they have. And, maybe I just agree with the "celebs" who do it, because we do it, too.What about all the times you get to a stupid contract because you had to lie about your HCP or shape? That has to be a loser at any scoring? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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