How much will you push it

[Mbodell]

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[MrAce]

I would have passed 4♥

 

Thinking that pd always has 3 card ♥ is naive imo. There are quite a number of hands that would bid 4♥ with only 2. And even if he has 3 card ♥ support we will need to be lucky to make slam.

 

x xxx xx KQJxxxx is what you will get at best for example, assume they led ♠ and you took with ace, what will you do ? Ruff a spade, ♣ A to hand and ruff another ♠, discard a ♦ on 2nd club, assume you survived so far now what ? If you ruff a ♦ after AK you have a problem with coming to hand even when trumps break 3-2. If u ruff high to come to hand and play hight trump to knock down the Ace, LHO may take and play a spade or diamond to promote his A8x or A9x or w/e. As i said there are also hands that pd may raise with only 2 ♥, in fact the way some people play 4♥ it denies a 3 card fit, with 3 card fit they bid their shortness (3♠ or 4♦ i.e ) And there are bad trump breaks too which may ruin the day even if pd has ♦Q.

 

I admit that a ♦ Q will make a lot of change in outcome, but i personally have no way to learn if pd has it or not, do you ?

[phil_20686]

x xxx xx KQJxxxx is what you will get at best for example,

 

In which case partner will pass your 6C bid and it will be basically cold?

 

I lot depends on your preempt style here, and there is a very wide variation. I have played opposite (good) partners who would bid 3C on xxx xxx x KJ98xx, and others who would need a minimum of KJTxxxx in the club suit, and preferably not 2227. I have no idea if there is even a reliable "standard" for what a 3C bid looks like.

 

If you are sure partner will have HH to seven in the club suit, it looks like 6C could be a good spot fairly often. 6H on the other hand looks very far away most of the time. I think passing 4H here might be %, but its would be close with bidding 5C. And now the choice is between 5H or 6C, I would choose 6C every time, because again I think its quite likely you can make at least one more trick in clubs. I seem to have a lot of losers in my hand and may well have difficulty reaching partners club suit.