quiddity Posted September 1, 2012 Report Share Posted September 1, 2012 QTx T8xxxx KJx xMatchpoints, r/r, partner deals: 1D 1H (3C)passed back to you. What now? Also, we were playing weak jump shifts. Should I have considered trying that instead? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted September 1, 2012 Report Share Posted September 1, 2012 Depends on how you define weak JS. This is too strong for us to do that. I think they get to declare this one, and it is probably not going to be a good thing for us. Can't bring myself to bid 3H now. Partner might think I have a 3H bid. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil_20686 Posted September 2, 2012 Report Share Posted September 2, 2012 PASS. No second choice. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quantumcat Posted September 3, 2012 Report Share Posted September 3, 2012 Pass. If pard had about 16 hcp and 3 hearts he might have made a support double. There isnt any way to bid something to play, 3D and 3H both sound invitational. Also, if playing weak jump shifts I think they should be saved for hands where all your points are in your suit - eg xxx KJxxxx x xxx. Then when pard has a good hand he is better placed to decide if game might make. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted September 4, 2012 Report Share Posted September 4, 2012 I changed my style about weak twos from: Points in your suits to: Best describtion of the hand. So I had bid 2 ♥ after 1♦. Now I am stuck. But it cannot be right to pass at mps when opps play in the suit of my singelton and we have about half of the deck. Who knows, maybe partner has even enough to make game, Something like Ax,KQx,ATxxx,xxx makes game quite good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted September 4, 2012 Report Share Posted September 4, 2012 I changed my style about weak twos from: Points in your suits to: Best describtion of the hand. So I had bid 2 ♥ after 1♦. While it is true that some people's weak two's (which are opening bids) and their "weak JS" responses are the same range -- they are different for, IMO, a whole lot more of us, and the ranges don't overlap even a little bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted September 4, 2012 Report Share Posted September 4, 2012 With a 20-20 deck and shortness in their suit, I cannot see passing. Double for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted September 4, 2012 Report Share Posted September 4, 2012 definitely pass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted September 4, 2012 Report Share Posted September 4, 2012 Pass. If pard had about 16 hcp and 3 hearts he might have made a support double. There isnt any way to bid something to play, 3D and 3H both sound invitational. Also, if playing weak jump shifts I think they should be saved for hands where all your points are in your suit - eg xxx KJxxxx x xxx. Then when pard has a good hand he is better placed to decide if game might make.This is not a support double situation for anyone that I know of (I believe we had this discussion in another thread). Support doubles only apply when a simple raise to the two level is available in competition. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimG Posted September 4, 2012 Report Share Posted September 4, 2012 Pass. If pard had about 16 hcp and 3 hearts he might have made a support double.As we've learned recently from another thread, support doubles do not apply when opener cannot bid two our responder's major. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted September 4, 2012 Report Share Posted September 4, 2012 While it is true that some people's weak two's (which are opening bids) and their "weak JS" responses are the same range -- they are different for, IMO, a whole lot more of us, and the ranges don't overlap even a little bit. Well, the OP considered a weak jump, so no matter what style you, I or the majority play, it seems to be in range for him.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quantumcat Posted September 4, 2012 Report Share Posted September 4, 2012 As we've learned recently from another thread, support doubles do not apply when opener cannot bid two our responder's major.Well, then a double would show a good hand not knowing where to play, probably with heart tolerance - same difference, really. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kuhchung Posted September 4, 2012 Report Share Posted September 4, 2012 pass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted September 5, 2012 Report Share Posted September 5, 2012 QTx T8xxxx KJx xMatchpoints, r/r, partner deals: 1D 1H (3C)passed back to you. What now? Also, we were playing weak jump shifts. Should I have considered trying that instead? I guess you mean 1D (P) 1H (3C)P (P) ? Pretty obvious pass now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted September 5, 2012 Report Share Posted September 5, 2012 With a 20-20 deck and shortness in their suit, I cannot see passing. Double for me. Unfortunately partner will have no idea that you doubled for the above reason, it will mislead him regardless. If he is expecting you to be better than this you will often defend a making doubled partscore or get too high yoursel. If he is expecting you to be as light as this then he will be limping when he is supposed to be running when you have better hands. But my logic makes more sense at imps i admit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted September 5, 2012 Report Share Posted September 5, 2012 if 1♦ is umbalanced always bidding 3♦ is temping. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rsteele Posted September 5, 2012 Report Share Posted September 5, 2012 QTx T8xxxx KJx xMatchpoints, r/r, partner deals: 1D 1H (3C)passed back to you. What now? Also, we were playing weak jump shifts. Should I have considered trying that instead? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rsteele Posted September 5, 2012 Report Share Posted September 5, 2012 QTx T8xxxx KJx xMatchpoints, r/r, partner deals: 1D 1H (3C)passed back to you. What now? Also, we were playing weak jump shifts. Should I have considered trying that instead? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rsteele Posted September 5, 2012 Report Share Posted September 5, 2012 When partner can't double 3C you are not earning any matchpoints defending that contract. A bid is obvious and the real question is what to bid? As I am in front of the 3C bidder a double is for takeout and should imply diamond support while a three heart bid is unilateral in scope. As for 2H over one D that is not my style but I will not argue that it is ineffective. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quantumcat Posted September 5, 2012 Report Share Posted September 5, 2012 if 1♦ is umbalanced always bidding 3♦ is temping.But that will show an invitational hand, won't it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted September 6, 2012 Report Share Posted September 6, 2012 No, it would be automatic to bid 3D holding xx AJxxx Qxxxx x for example. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil_20686 Posted September 6, 2012 Report Share Posted September 6, 2012 if 1♦ is umbalanced always bidding 3♦ is temping. Oh, is the auction 1D (P) 1H (3C)P P I thought it was(1D) 1H (3C) P P I really couldn't understand the problem on the second auction lol. I would still pass on the first auction, although I am close to double now. Could easily be missing game opposite a hand with AQxxx diamonds and some good hearts: x AKx AQxxx xxxx for example. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted September 6, 2012 Report Share Posted September 6, 2012 I would still pass on the first auction, although I am close to double now. Could easily be missing game opposite a hand with AQxxx diamonds and some good hearts: x AKx AQxxx xxxx for example. No problem, the opps also might be missing a game. I mean, seriously, how can you think this construction is possible, let alone likely, the opps have 21 highs and 9 spades with almost solid suits and have passed and then preempted clubs? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil_20686 Posted September 7, 2012 Report Share Posted September 7, 2012 No problem, the opps also might be missing a game. I mean, seriously, how can you think this construction is possible, let alone likely, the opps have 21 highs and 9 spades with almost solid suits and have passed and then preempted clubs? Good point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lycier Posted September 12, 2012 Report Share Posted September 12, 2012 have nothing，bidding nothing,it is a important bidding rule, obviously you have described your hands,is not pass a good option? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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