jjsiegel Posted August 30, 2012 Report Share Posted August 30, 2012 I agree with Andy L, we need more time if we play north hands. The robot plays so fast we can count on that. Increase the time by 5 minutes, at least. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barmar Posted August 30, 2012 Report Share Posted August 30, 2012 Thank you for adding this into the total points games. This will be highly advantageous for those of us that declarer faster than the robots :)We're only adding it to the duplicate games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barmar Posted August 30, 2012 Report Share Posted August 30, 2012 I agree with Andy L, we need more time if we play north hands. The robot plays so fast we can count on that. Increase the time by 5 minutes, at least.I usually finish with 5-10 minutes left on the clock. I can't believe I'll run out of time when I declare 1 or 2 more hands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bbradley62 Posted August 30, 2012 Report Share Posted August 30, 2012 I usually finish with 5-10 minutes left on the clock. I can't believe I'll run out of time when I declare 1 or 2 more hands.It's nice to know that you play that quickly, but not everyone does. I've seen a few players (admittedly not many) who have run out of time on Board 8 since the change was implemented in the free games; I don't think I had ever seen that before the change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uday Posted August 30, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 30, 2012 we're going to be activating this tomorrow morning (around 9 or so Eastern). We'll keep an eye on completion rates and add more time if needed.U Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sam33 Posted August 31, 2012 Report Share Posted August 31, 2012 Will declarer be able to claim? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leo LaSota Posted August 31, 2012 Report Share Posted August 31, 2012 "ACBL Games - have to make sure it is OK w/the ACBL, working on it. Money Bridge games - yes, on the list, and we'll soon change that too. Extra time? I don't think it is needed. If we're wrong, tho, we'll readdress...." Barmar states, "We're only adding it to the duplicate games". Seems to me like Barmar is contradicting what Uday stated about using the human declares for N/S applicable to total points games. BBO definitely should apply this to the total points games. This would result in a more skill based final result. A player would have to play more hands well and fast to win these tournaments. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diana_eva Posted August 31, 2012 Report Share Posted August 31, 2012 I think he's talking about money bridge, not TP tourneys in the quote you gave. Tweaked tourneys today will be: Robot Duplicate MPRobot Duplicate IMPsRobot Rebate 55% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uday Posted August 31, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 31, 2012 Yes, i was talking about "true" money bridge tables, not Reward/Race tournaments. There is definitely a case to be made for enabling this feature on the Reward/Race tournaments/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uday Posted August 31, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 31, 2012 Changes were enabled at 8:45 AM Eastern on Fri Aug 31, about 2 hours ago. Robot Duplicate (IMP and MP)Robot Rebate now use 'Human must declare when dummy' We're keeping an eye on these Ts - in particular, I am thinking to increase the time allocated to Rebate55 ( currently 30 mins), but more on that later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimonFa Posted August 31, 2012 Report Share Posted August 31, 2012 A great innovation. It was disconcerting and I reckon I was slower but I'm sure that will improve with practice. Can we also have it when practicing with 3 Robots, please? :D 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barmar Posted August 31, 2012 Report Share Posted August 31, 2012 Seems to me like Barmar is contradicting what Uday stated about using the human declares for N/S applicable to total points games. BBO definitely should apply this to the total points games. This would result in a more skill based final result. A player would have to play more hands well and fast to win these tournaments.I wasn't contradicting anything, I was only talking about the changes we announced that we would be making today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barmar Posted August 31, 2012 Report Share Posted August 31, 2012 It's nice to know that you play that quickly, but not everyone does. I've seen a few players (admittedly not many) who have run out of time on Board 8 since the change was implemented in the free games; I don't think I had ever seen that before the change.I played a Robot Rebate game this morning. Surprisingly, 7 out of the 12 hands were declared by North. I managed to finish with 3 minutes to spare. One player in the tourney didn't make it, he was on board 9 when time ran out. But as Uday said, we'll keep an eye on the completion rates. If the pace is really too fast with this change, we can easily increase the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted August 31, 2012 Report Share Posted August 31, 2012 I just tried one of these. Its one thing to watch GIB bid and then carve the play. There's a strange twinge when GIB makes a strange bid and then YOU get to play the mess lol. Today GIB had Txx QJxxx AKxx x 1♣ - (1♠) - x - p; 1N - (p) - 2♦(!!!!!) - all pass. I put down QJ9x KT xx AQJTx. But then you realize that you might be able to make something out of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted August 31, 2012 Report Share Posted August 31, 2012 I love the change. Now we can play bridge in the bidding, instead of playing the "make sure South declares" game. The results will be significantly more skill-based. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xeno123 Posted August 31, 2012 Report Share Posted August 31, 2012 Can we also have it when practicing with 3 Robots, please? :D Please! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thepom Posted August 31, 2012 Report Share Posted August 31, 2012 In principle, I like it. One thing that caught me out was that the ops bids are swapped when playing the N hand in the S position. Example - My RHO opened 3♥ and N declared 4S. I got disoriented when the long ♥ suit appeared on my left when declaring.Is it possible to have the human play the N hand without switching the view around? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barmar Posted August 31, 2012 Report Share Posted August 31, 2012 Yeah, that same issue was raised a couple of weeks ago in this thread. At the time I said I thought it would be more confusing for the human to declare from the north. But I played a few tourneys this morning, and I agree that I lost track of which opponent had what from the bidding. I suspect this may be "damned if we do, damned if we don't". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamL3 Posted September 2, 2012 Report Share Posted September 2, 2012 Now how about also doing away with South having the most HCP at the table? I don't like the extra information about the opponents hands that results from that, and I'd rather defend a little more often. I'll still get to declare for partner, so I'll declare twice as often as I do when playing against humans. That's plenty. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barmar Posted September 2, 2012 Report Share Posted September 2, 2012 And it would be nice to be able to preempt occasionally. :) Although now at least we get to play when partner preempts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
semeai Posted September 3, 2012 Report Share Posted September 3, 2012 And it would be nice to be able to preempt occasionally. :) Although now at least we get to play when partner preempts. Maybe this best hand stuff is all a conspiracy to prevent people from exploiting GIB's gullibility by psyching and wildly preempting! Or not, but it's an added plus[/minus] I suppose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mycroft Posted September 4, 2012 Report Share Posted September 4, 2012 "Another Bridge Program" puts up a big clickthrough notice when it's about to rotate the table so you declare. You're probably already doing something like this; but it seems to make it less likely (not, by any means, impossible!) that I will forget to swap defenders in my mind after that notice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bbradley62 Posted September 5, 2012 Report Share Posted September 5, 2012 "Another Bridge Program" puts up a big clickthrough notice when it's about to rotate the table so you declare. You're probably already doing something like this; but it seems to make it less likely (not, by any means, impossible!) that I will forget to swap defenders in my mind after that notice.We do get a big clickthrough notice when it's about to rotate the table, but I still remember that RHO preempted and I have to check and double-check the auction mid-hand to confirm that RHO is now LHO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quantumcat Posted September 5, 2012 Report Share Posted September 5, 2012 Is it so bad to leave the hands where they are? The only downside is if you forget which hand the opponents cannot see, which may change your play. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimonFa Posted September 8, 2012 Report Share Posted September 8, 2012 Is it so bad to leave the hands where they are? The only downside is if you forget which hand the opponents cannot see, which may change your play. Well done for increasing the time limit. I came under time pressure a couple of times when GIB hogged the bidding and I played 3 or 4 hands as North. Simon 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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