lelle1 Posted August 9, 2013 Report Share Posted August 9, 2013 I have played a couple of times against a pair, that uses the following 2M openings: 2♥ - multi: weak 6 card hearts or weak 6 card spades2♠ - weak 6 card spades I think one of them shows really weak spades, but sadly I cannot recall which one. :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagles123 Posted August 12, 2013 Report Share Posted August 12, 2013 I have nothing dramatic, but the one i've come across that I hate the most is this: playing weak NT one pair played a 2NT response to stayman as showing both majors... just hate that as surely one of the key uses for stayman when playing a weak NT is for bad hands to try and escape somewhere :huh: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjbrr Posted August 12, 2013 Report Share Posted August 12, 2013 I have played a couple of times against a pair, that uses the following 2M openings: 2♥ - multi: weak 6 card hearts or weak 6 card spades2♠ - weak 6 card spades I think one of them shows really weak spades, but sadly I cannot recall which one. :( 2H weak with ♥ or ♠ is a great convention 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TylerE Posted August 12, 2013 Report Share Posted August 12, 2013 I disagree with that in principle. No need for an escape until they start doubling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjbrr Posted August 12, 2013 Report Share Posted August 12, 2013 I disagree with that in principle. No need for an escape until they start doubling. lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackshoe Posted August 12, 2013 Report Share Posted August 12, 2013 I have nothing dramatic, but the one i've come across that I hate the most is this: playing weak NT one pair played a 2NT response to stayman as showing both majors... just hate that as surely one of the key uses for stayman when playing a weak NT is for bad hands to try and escape somewhere :huh:I love it when my opponents have bad agreements. :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted August 13, 2013 Report Share Posted August 13, 2013 2NT as response to Stayman showing both majors has advantages. You can play nonpromisory Stayman while at the same time allowing1NT-2♣2♥-2♠to show a 5-card suit so that you don't have to commit yourself to 2NT when you have an invitational hand with five spades. But it does require you to play the the 2NT response to Stayman as showing a minimum with both majors since otherwise responder won't know what to do with an invitational hand without a major. Playing 2NT as "both majors, any strength" seems pointless to me. But maybe I am missing something. Anyway, in a weak NT context I agree it is much better to bid 2♥ with both majors, even if playing nonpromisory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted August 13, 2013 Report Share Posted August 13, 2013 I opened 1♥. LHO bid 2♥, alerted.1♥-(2♥*)-pass-(2♠)(pass)-4♠-a.p. I asked what the auction meant. It appeared that 2♥ showed 17+ points and all responses were natural and positive. I asked what advancer would do with a yarb. I was told that with a yarb, advancer would just pass.... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WellSpyder Posted August 13, 2013 Report Share Posted August 13, 2013 I opened 1♥. LHO bid 2♥, alerted.1♥-(2♥*)-pass-(2♠)(pass)-4♠-a.p. I asked what the auction meant. It appeared that 2♥ showed 17+ points and all responses were natural and positive. I asked what advancer would do with a yarb. I was told that with a yarb, advancer would just pass....Congrats, Helene - I think you get my vote for the best entry yet in this competition.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilKing Posted August 13, 2013 Report Share Posted August 13, 2013 2NT as response to Stayman showing both majors has advantages. You can play nonpromisory Stayman while at the same time allowing1NT-2♣2♥-2♠to show a 5-card suit so that you don't have to commit yourself to 2NT when you have an invitational hand with five spades. But it does require you to play the the 2NT response to Stayman as showing a minimum with both majors since otherwise responder won't know what to do with an invitational hand without a major. Playing 2NT as "both majors, any strength" seems pointless to me. But maybe I am missing something. Anyway, in a weak NT context I agree it is much better to bid 2♥ with both majors, even if playing nonpromisory. Lol - I play this. 2NT shows both majors minimum and 3♣ show a max. I am devastated this has made the list. :( 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulg Posted August 13, 2013 Report Share Posted August 13, 2013 Lol - I play this. 2NT shows both majors minimum and 3♣ show a max. I am devastated this has made the list. :(Didn't you win novice poster of the year last time? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cargobeep Posted August 17, 2013 Report Share Posted August 17, 2013 Weirdest Convention I've seen at the table..that would have to be "no reverses" <_< What are you supposed to do for slam bidding? Just go 6 and hope you get lucky? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TylerE Posted August 17, 2013 Report Share Posted August 17, 2013 Weirdest Convention I've seen at the table..that would have to be "no reverses" <_< What are you supposed to do for slam bidding? Just go 6 and hope you get lucky? No, are you mad? They bid 4♣, which is always gerber. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackshoe Posted August 17, 2013 Report Share Posted August 17, 2013 I had a pair say, before the first board of the round, "we don't play reverses". Then their uncontested auction went 1♦-1♠-2♥. I pointed at the 2♥ bid and said "that's a reverse". "No it's not." I said "A reverse is a rebid at the two level in a higher ranking suit that the first bid suit and which requires partner to go to the three level to show simple preference." "Yeah, so?" "So that's a reverse." "No it's not." :blink: Turned out, of course, that they meant "our reverses (by opener) don't show extra values". :o :huh: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenMan Posted August 17, 2013 Report Share Posted August 17, 2013 Turned out, of course, that they meant "our reverses (by opener) don't show extra values". :o :huh: That's bizarre. You've only had one pair say that? :rolleyes: 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted August 17, 2013 Report Share Posted August 17, 2013 I saw this funny agreement on a CC once: "psychics only on Saturday". Sadly, it was a Saturday... A couple of weeks later I encountered them again, on a Sunday. Needless to say they had 7 CC's, one for each day of the week. ;) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackshoe Posted August 17, 2013 Report Share Posted August 17, 2013 That's bizarre. You've only had one pair say that? :rolleyes:I've had several pairs say they "don't play reverses", but only one who took it to the extreme I posted. Usually I get "oh, I didn't know that" when I tell them the definition of a reverse. :blink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Molyb Posted August 18, 2013 Report Share Posted August 18, 2013 I played a pair that "played reverses" with 14+ points once Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mycroft Posted August 19, 2013 Report Share Posted August 19, 2013 This weekend we had two pairs that played: 1♣-2♣ 6-9, at least 5 cards1♣-3♣ at least 5 cards, "weak" (by which they meant about 6-9). I asked what they did with a good club raise. Not only did they not have an answer, they didn't understand the question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted March 26, 2015 Report Share Posted March 26, 2015 opps bid:1♥-1♠2♦* me: why did you alert?opp: 2♦ is just the best minor, it can 3.me: um what is 1NT then?opp: what do you mean? no one bid 1NT.me: I mean, 1NT instead of 2♦, can't you do it on 2533?opp: nah, we prefer to bid 2♣ or 2♦, that way you are showing 8 cards from your hand.me (to myself): well that's quite an improvement on standard bidding where you show 11 cards and leave open the possibility of a cheap checkback for 3-card spades all the while keeping the 2m rebids pure. at least you don't have to play notrumps!me: OK OK but what is 1NT then?opp: we just don't rebid 1NT. Same opps, the following hand:1♦*-1♥** 1♦ shows 10-15 hcp, denying a major, could be a voidWell, what is 1♥?opp: oh that's just a relay, it promises 5+ hcp.me: well what are other bids?opp: what do you mean other bids?me: you know, 1♠, 1NT, 2♣, ...opp: oh we don't bid them. I guess they are all signoffs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zelandakh Posted March 26, 2015 Report Share Posted March 26, 2015 opp: what do you mean other bids?me: you know, 1♠, 1NT, 2♣, ...opp: oh we don't bid them. I guess they are all signoffs.I trust you suggested to them that they could use 1NT to show hearts instead, as per my forcing club relay system. :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted March 26, 2015 Report Share Posted March 26, 2015 I played with an old lady at the club and agreed to play Montreal relays. During the evening I realised that she played that the 1♣ opening actually promises a 3-card major and 1♦ denies one! So she would open 1♣ with say a 3172 (or 3-0-10-0 if I want to be extreme) but 1♦ on a 2137. But I admit we got a nice result after 1♣-1♠; 4♠ when I had a decent but not great 4-4-5-0 and was encouraged by knowing that we're in a 9-card fit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted March 26, 2015 Report Share Posted March 26, 2015 And finally there's a pair who play1♣=12-14 any1♦=15-17 any1♥=18-20 any1♠=21-23 any1NT=24+ any Such a system has already been mentioned upthread but they also have point-showing replies! step 1=0-5 anystep 2=6-8 anystep 3=9-11 anystep 4=12-14 anystep 5=15-17 any That way, each response but step 1 actually always shows a given total range for the partnership. E.g., 1♣-2♣, 1♦-2♣, 1♥-2♣, and 1♠-2♣ all show that your partnership has 27-31 hcp. Kind of useless of course and fails a lot in practice (with or without interference) but at least you practice your basic algebra. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zelandakh Posted March 26, 2015 Report Share Posted March 26, 2015 Kind of useless of course and fails a lot in practice (with or without interference) but at least you practice your basic algebra.(9-13)+3x? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kuhchung Posted March 26, 2015 Report Share Posted March 26, 2015 I played with an old lady at the club and agreed to play Montreal relays. During the evening I realised that she played that the 1♣ opening actually promises a 3-card major and 1♦ denies one! So she would open 1♣ with say a 3172 (or 3-0-10-0 if I want to be extreme) but 1♦ on a 2137. But I admit we got a nice result after 1♣-1♠; 4♠ when I had a decent but not great 4-4-5-0 and was encouraged by knowing that we're in a 9-card fit. I'm amazed you were capable of deciphering this. I would've been looking for a drink Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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