Adriaantje Posted March 29, 2013 Report Share Posted March 29, 2013 Pretty sure they had a conventional 2NT rebid over 1m-1M; right? His point was that they played 2♦ as 18-19 balanced but they didn't use this for their advantage in their 1m auctions.oh right! I guess they did do that, yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billw55 Posted March 29, 2013 Report Share Posted March 29, 2013 I have met several players who insist that as responder, I should bid and rebid a five card major, because the first bid only showed four. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted March 29, 2013 Report Share Posted March 29, 2013 I have met several players who insist that as responder, I should bid and rebid a five card major, because the first bid only showed four. I suspect this makes more sense from old people from local cllubs who do not shuffle boards properly, for them 5 card suit is a biggie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted April 6, 2013 Report Share Posted April 6, 2013 Not the worst agreement, but certainly the worst bid I do remember ever.[hv=pc=n&s=sjhkqj52dj763c873&w=sk62hat3da2cakt65&n=sq73h876dt85cq942&e=sat9854h94dkq94cj&d=s&v=0&b=11&a=2hdp2sp4sp4np5cp6sp7sppp]399|300[/hv] When this kid of thing happens it is surprising how often the contract has play. But with such a bidding opponent's lacked the skill to make it. BTW, before bidding 2♠ RHO bid an insufficent 1♠ just to make things a bit more bizarre. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RunemPard Posted May 23, 2013 Report Share Posted May 23, 2013 Comedy gold.. I open 1C sitting east with some decently strong hand. Partner(west) replies 1H, followed by north bidding 2H with some 9-11 HCP hand and AQxxx in hearts. Knowing the two players, this is natural. With Kxx in hearts and the opps red vs. our white, I double. After south takes 15 seconds to find a pass card, my partner goes to 3C. This is when North finds the 3H card, followed by my 2nd double. 5 down for -1400. The true comedy begins when north decides to explain to his partner loudly that her passing my double was an absolutely HORRIBLE bid! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antrax Posted May 24, 2013 Report Share Posted May 24, 2013 So what's the weird agreement? I also play 2♥ there as natural :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted May 24, 2013 Report Share Posted May 24, 2013 So what's the weird agreement? I also play 2♥ there as natural :(That is not the weird agreement. The 3H bid by the same person and then the commentary when he gave his partner nowhere to go are what was weird. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antrax Posted May 24, 2013 Report Share Posted May 24, 2013 Ah, okay. I interpreted this: Knowing the two players, this is natural.As criticism on playing it natural. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilKing Posted May 24, 2013 Report Share Posted May 24, 2013 That is not the weird agreement. The 3H bid by the same person and then the commentary when he gave his partner nowhere to go are what was weird. Blaming partner regardless of the facts is a fairly common treatment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordontd Posted May 24, 2013 Report Share Posted May 24, 2013 Blaming partner regardless of the facts is a fairly common treatment.It's almost as common as a deviation when they've agreed not to do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trinidad Posted May 24, 2013 Report Share Posted May 24, 2013 A few weeks ago I met a pair who played 1♦-(1♥)-1♠ as non forcing. I found that out because it continued pass-pass (and it was not a mistake/psyche/whatever). On the next board (of the 2 board round) we bid Pass-1♠; 2♠-4♠. When the dummy came down they told me that I should have alerted 2♠ "because it could be as short as three cards". (We play 5 card majors, not alertable.) Rik Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted May 24, 2013 Report Share Posted May 24, 2013 A few weeks ago I met a pair who played 1♦-(1♥)-1♠ as non forcing. I found that out because it continued pass-pass (and it was not a mistake/psyche/whatever).That's how I learned to play, too, from my parents (in the early 2000's! not in the interwar years). Strong hands should start with a double, or maybe a cuebid. It was never really explained to me what the difference was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted May 24, 2013 Report Share Posted May 24, 2013 A few weeks ago I met a pair who played 1♦-(1♥)-1♠ as non forcing. I found that out because it continued pass-pass (and it was not a mistake/psyche/whatever). On the next board (of the 2 board round) we bid Pass-1♠; 2♠-4♠. When the dummy came down they told me that I should have alerted 2♠ "because it could be as short as three cards". (We play 5 card majors, not alertable.) RikThe first sentence just sounds like a negative free bid. Certainly not earth shattering, but clearly an unusual treatment (whether they know it or not). As for the second sentence, that is funny. Even in old-fashioned Goren with 4-card majors one would often raise on 3 card support. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted May 24, 2013 Report Share Posted May 24, 2013 The first sentence just sounds like a negative free bid. Certainly not earth shattering, but clearly an unusual treatment (whether they know it or not). As for the second sentence, that is funny. Even in old-fashioned Goren with 4-card majors one would often raise on 3 card support.Negative free bids on the 1-level are very unusual and almost earth shattering. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vampyr Posted May 25, 2013 Report Share Posted May 25, 2013 Negative free bids on the 1-level are very unusual and almost earth shattering. Very interesting, though. I wonder how it would fare at the Secret Bridge Olympics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
32519 Posted May 25, 2013 Report Share Posted May 25, 2013 Very interesting, though. I wonder how it would fare at the Secret Bridge Olympics. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zelandakh Posted May 27, 2013 Report Share Posted May 27, 2013 It got a 1 back in 1968 - old news. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vampyr Posted May 29, 2013 Report Share Posted May 29, 2013 Last weekend I had an auction 2♥-(2♠*) * = takeout. I had never heard of Fishbein at the 2-level, nor as a major-suit bid. I considered it one of the worst sacrifices of a useful bid I have ever seen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zelandakh Posted May 29, 2013 Report Share Posted May 29, 2013 Wasn't the old Hackett defence to a weak 2♠ opening 2NT = minimum takeout; 3♣ = takeout with extras? Perhaps they adjusted this to a 2♥ opening and "saved" a step. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted May 29, 2013 Report Share Posted May 29, 2013 I saw (3H)-4C as takeout, duly passed out with a hand (I think) 5-2 in the minors, dummy saying afterwards not 'sorry pd I forgot' but 'I was too weak to bid my diamonds' :o Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted May 29, 2013 Report Share Posted May 29, 2013 (edited) One of my partners likes playing against weak 2♥/♠:x=11-15, 4(5) in other majordbl2NT=11-15, 3- other major3♣=16+, 4+ other major3♦=16+, 3- other major Edited May 29, 2013 by helene_t Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zelandakh Posted May 29, 2013 Report Share Posted May 29, 2013 I hope you have informed the TD about this (or at least pointed out the issues to that partner). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vampyr Posted May 29, 2013 Report Share Posted May 29, 2013 One of my partners likes playing against weak 2♥/♠:x=11-15, 4(5) in other majordbl=11-15, 3- other major3♣=16+, 4+ other major3♦=16+, 3- other major Ingenious. But what does he do if he has a bidding box with only one kind of double card in it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
32519 Posted May 29, 2013 Report Share Posted May 29, 2013 Ingenious. But what does he do if he has a bidding box with only one kind of double card in it?You got me in fits reading this. :) I must go and look if I can gippo a bidding box and then make sure I am sitting N/S in a Mitchell movement or the sitting pair in a Howell movement. :rolleyes: Then I can use this as well (or some variation of it). :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted May 29, 2013 Report Share Posted May 29, 2013 oh lol , sorry, it should be dbl=...2NT=....:) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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