blackshoe Posted September 9, 2012 Report Share Posted September 9, 2012 They were too happy to know opener's HCPs very accurately when they opened 2X. :blink:Offer them this: All openings up to 2S are artificial: 1♣: 8-10 HCP1♦: 11-13 HCP1♥:14-16 HCP1♠: 17-19 HCP1NT: 20-22 HCP2♣: 23-25 HCP2♦: 26-28 HCP2♥: 29-31 HCP2♠: 32-34 HCP All openings above two spades are transfers, 0-7 HCP, (6)7+ trumps at the three level, more at higher levels. If you have more than 34 points, just bid six (or seven) of something. This should result in a large number of lovely bottoms. :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glen Posted September 9, 2012 Report Share Posted September 9, 2012 1♣: 8-10 HCP1♦: 11-13 HCP1♥:14-16 HCP1♠: 17-19 HCP1NT: 20-22 HCP2♣: 23-25 HCP2♦: 26-28 HCP2♥: 29-31 HCP2♠: 32-34 HCPIf you just add 2 points to each (1♣ is 11-13 etc.) I met someone who played exactly that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fromageGB Posted September 10, 2012 Report Share Posted September 10, 2012 1NT = 15-16 balancedSome parts of the system have merit ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackshoe Posted September 11, 2012 Report Share Posted September 11, 2012 If you just add 2 points to each (1♣ is 11-13 etc.) I met someone who played exactly thatROFL! :lol: :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordontd Posted September 11, 2012 Report Share Posted September 11, 2012 I suspect that they do not play whatever system they claim to play.The method taught at Andrew Robson's bridge club is that reverses do not promise extra. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ash1968 Posted September 11, 2012 Report Share Posted September 11, 2012 I know a pair who wanted to make it "more difficult" for pairs who played a strong 1C so they would open 1C 10-12 any when possible. Mostly opponents then played X = same as 1C opening and the rest of the system on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
32519 Posted September 12, 2012 Report Share Posted September 12, 2012 Here is another crazy agreement from our local club played by one of the pairs. Over 1M, a jump to 3M = slam interest!Over 1M, a jump to 4M = a limit raise (10-11 HCP)!They don’t have any method for being able to show a hand with long trump support but low in HCP. I’m not kidding you. This really is their agreement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted September 12, 2012 Report Share Posted September 12, 2012 Here is another crazy agreement from our local club played by one of the pairs. Over 1M, a jump to 3M = slam interest!snipped This is not uncommon and was part of the Goren system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zelandakh Posted September 12, 2012 Report Share Posted September 12, 2012 This is not uncommon and was part of the Goren system.And before that, 1M - 3M as the strong (GF) raise was part of Culbertson. Nothing wrong with this at all. The somewhat unusual part was 1M - 4M as a limit raise though (which at the very least grossly distorts the proper usage of the term). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted September 12, 2012 Report Share Posted September 12, 2012 The method taught at Andrew Robson's bridge club is that reverses do not promise extra.Really? Are they playing Canape or something? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted September 12, 2012 Report Share Posted September 12, 2012 This is not uncommon and was part of the Goren system.Yes. More generally, old (1960 or earlier I think) bridge books are full of strong jumps in suits already bid. For example 1♣-1♦1♥-3♣*(*forcing) Presumably, limit bids just didn't exist back then. Responder either forces to game or signs off at his second turn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_clown Posted September 12, 2012 Report Share Posted September 12, 2012 A friend of mine told me that she was playing inverted majors in a blue club context. In particular 1♥-2♥-3♥ is Keycard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted September 12, 2012 Report Share Posted September 12, 2012 1M - 3M as forcing raise is also suggested by Alvin Roth in picture bidding,he moves lots of things in the forcing NT. I dont think, playing the jump raise as forcing is a bad agreement, you couldmove the limit raise to 2NT, helping you with game tries, you have no game try,when it goes 1M - 3M.This may espesially be useful, if you dont require 4 card support for the limitraise, e.g. you want to keep open the option of playing in 3NT. The point is of course, that the 3M bid is a game forcing raise, that does notshow add. SI - you will alway have SI as responder, if you have opening strengthand a fit for openers major. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted September 12, 2012 Report Share Posted September 12, 2012 The method taught at Andrew Robson's bridge club is that reverses do not promise extra.After a 2/1 response? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordontd Posted September 12, 2012 Report Share Posted September 12, 2012 Really? Are they playing Canape or something?No, they just recognise that beginners have a lot of trouble understanding (and recognising) reverses, so if they don't treat them differently from other suit rebids they gain some advantages at the price of sometimes getting too high on unsuitable hands. In this way they never miss a fit in opener's second suit, and a rebid of opener's first suit absolutely guarantees six cards. Eventually learners will reach the stage where they wonder why they are getting too high on minimum two-suited openers, and when they do they can be told to "lie" on such hands - ie they will understand why reverses & high-reverses should show extra. On several occasions I've seen players who've progressed from ARBC to play in county or national events, with "we don't play reverses" written on their convention card. On one of those occasions the player said that he didn't really understand what it meant, but someone told him to write it on so that the other players wouldn't get annoyed with them. I think it's a method of teaching that has a lot to commend it - and ARBC is far and away the most successful teaching club in the country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordontd Posted September 12, 2012 Report Share Posted September 12, 2012 After a 2/1 response?Actually it's quite widespread for a reverse not to promise extra after a 2/1 response - lots of 2/1 players do exactly that. Of course they aren't then going to be left to play in opener's rebid! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zelandakh Posted September 12, 2012 Report Share Posted September 12, 2012 No, they just recognise that beginners have a lot of trouble understanding (and recognising) reversesThey certainly will if they are never taught the difference! Honestly, I have taught many people how to bid in a simple Acol system and have never run into anyone who was unable to grasp this. Bidding after a reverse is a different matter though. I see even very good players getting into a mess on these auctions without decent agreements in place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordontd Posted September 12, 2012 Report Share Posted September 12, 2012 Honestly, I have taught many people how to bid in a simple Acol system and have never run into anyone who was unable to grasp this. Me too (using the concept of "the barrier", which I think is better for explaining than the odd-sounding "reverse"). They always seem to understand it when it's explained to them. And how often do they recognise it when it comes up? Never! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zelandakh Posted September 12, 2012 Report Share Posted September 12, 2012 I never used the term "reverse" either. I simply used a priority system and "2 of a higher ranking suit" was not on the list for weak hands. Therefore such hands automatically defaulted to "2 of original suit". Sometimes people asked why they could not bid the higher ranking suit; then I explained about it pushing to the 3 level. Mostly they just followed the crib sheets though and then internalised them as the concepts became familiar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antrax Posted February 4, 2013 Report Share Posted February 4, 2013 A couple of days ago at the club my RHO opened 2♠, which was alerted as "Flannery": 5+ hearts, 4+ spades, 12+ HCP no maximum strength (I asked). Over that LHO bid 2NT inquiry and RHO replied 4♦ which shows precisely 4=5=4=0 and nothing about strength. Probably not the worst ever but I rarely see anything other than Israeli Standard where I play, so I found it noteworthy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ggwhiz Posted February 4, 2013 Report Share Posted February 4, 2013 A bunch of us in the bar after a Sectional listened to one pair discuss Smolen at length and decide to play Reverse Smolen. They put it on their card as such and prepared to alert it properly when someone told them "That's Standard American". 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted February 4, 2013 Report Share Posted February 4, 2013 A bunch of us in the bar after a Sectional listened to one pair discuss Smolen at length and decide to play Reverse Smolen. They put it on their card as such and prepared to alert it properly when someone told them "That's Standard American".Along those lines: (1M) 3M requesting partner to bid 3NT with a stopper because we have a long solid minor was dubbed "Reverse Treadwell", after he jokingly said his partnership agreement was that it showed a stopper so partner could bid 3NT with a long solid minor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WellSpyder Posted February 4, 2013 Report Share Posted February 4, 2013 his partnership agreement was that it showed a stopper so partner could bid 3NT with a long solid minor.This convention is well known on this side of the Atlantic, where (in England at least!) it is know as an Irish cue-bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted February 4, 2013 Report Share Posted February 4, 2013 This convention is well known on this side of the Atlantic, where (in England at least!) it is know as an Irish cue-bid.And in Ireland, it is an English cue-bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mycroft Posted February 4, 2013 Report Share Posted February 4, 2013 I know someone who (in a non-ACBL-sanctioned game, of course) played 0-40 Flannery. For fun, obviously. I think they took it out once into the club (as 10-40 Flannery, to be GCC). I know a pair that played (and properly Alerted and explained!) 2♦ as "11-15, 5-4 *either way* in the majors. I played 2♣ Minor Suit Flannery in my "twist the GCC so hard it screams" system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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