han Posted August 31, 2012 Report Share Posted August 31, 2012 On the contrary! If, among the hands where 3NT is down, 2NT would have down as well, then you need even less for bidding game. -300 vs -200 is only 3 IMPs, better than -100 vs +120. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jogs Posted August 31, 2012 Report Share Posted August 31, 2012 On the contrary! If, among the hands where 3NT is down, 2NT would have down as well, then you need even less for bidding game. -300 vs -200 is only 3 IMPs, better than -100 vs +120. Would 2♠ also be down? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluecalm Posted August 31, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 31, 2012 Would 2♠ also be down? Are you in troll mode ?It wouldn't be down but obviously Helgemo couldn't know partner has super minimum and will pass 2N with 6 spades. WTF? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jogs Posted September 1, 2012 Report Share Posted September 1, 2012 Are you in troll mode ?It wouldn't be down but obviously Helgemo couldn't know partner has super minimum and will pass 2N with 6 spades. WTF? I think Helgemo should have passed 2♠. On boards where opponents open our side rarely has 9 tricks based solely on HCP. When we have 9 tricks, it is usually due to a long running suit. Of the set of hands which East can hold on this bidding very few would make game opposite Helgemo's hand. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lalldonn Posted September 1, 2012 Report Share Posted September 1, 2012 What is this talk that north might cover with the queen? When the jack is led to AKTxxx? I realize some of it was sarcastic but some of it seems serious. It's not like dummy had AKTxx, THEN north might cover with the queen (in fact it might be difficult not to). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted September 1, 2012 Report Share Posted September 1, 2012 What is this talk that north might cover with the queen? When the jack is led to AKTxxx? I realize some of it was sarcastic but some of it seems serious. It's not like dummy had AKTxx, THEN north might cover with the queen (in fact it might be difficult not to). He might cover with the queen from Q86x which is correct if declarer has J7.Spades 4-0 is hugely unlikely though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted September 2, 2012 Report Share Posted September 2, 2012 Are you in troll mode ?It wouldn't be down but obviously Helgemo couldn't know partner has super minimum and will pass 2N with 6 spades. WTF?When you said "3NT is quite decent game" you were offering that as a justification for bidding 2NT. This argument was flawed because 3NT isn't a decent game if the alternative is to play 2♠. 3NT only became worth bidding once we gave up the chance to play in 2♠. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kayin801 Posted September 2, 2012 Report Share Posted September 2, 2012 He might cover with the queen from Q86x which is correct if declarer has J7.Spades 4-0 is hugely unlikely though. This, and obviously never ever cover from Qxx, but my point earlier was that covering with Qx seems normal since it can't cost and wins when partner has 9xxx and declarer stiff J, so you can probably strike some relevant hands from bluecalm's script earlier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluecalm Posted September 2, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 2, 2012 When you said "3NT is quite decent game" you were offering that as a justification for bidding 2NT It is decent game in the context which is that parnter has super minimum and wouldn't think of accepting any invites. Despite that game has very good chances of making. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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