benlessard Posted August 22, 2012 Report Share Posted August 22, 2012 xxQJTxxAxxxxA NV/NV MP 1D-(P)--1H-(2C)2H-(3C)-4C-(5C)X--(P)--?? 2H show 4 card support.4C is not really discussed. I would assume that its a cue, it denies a S control and forcing pass is now on. Do you agree about 4C ? Note you dont play any jump show fit. What do you do over the X ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lowerline Posted August 22, 2012 Report Share Posted August 22, 2012 xxQJTxxAxxxxA NV/NV MP 1D-(P)--1H-(2C)2H-(3C)-4C-(5C)X--(P)--?? 2H show 4 card support.4C is not really discussed. I would assume that its a cue, it denies a S control and forcing pass is now on. Do you agree about 4C ? Note you dont play any jump show fit. What do you do over the X ? I think it is better to let partner in on the double fit by bidding 3♦ iso 4♣. The meaning of 4♣ is shortness, but I don't think it denies a spade control. Partners double shows he does not want to compete to the 5-level (but he might have felt differently if you had showed the diamond fit). Now pass. Steven Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted August 22, 2012 Report Share Posted August 22, 2012 I think 4♣ says I'm bidding 4♥ to make, and sets up a forcing pass. If 4♣ was a cue-bid, I wouldn't bid it because I have no slam interest. On the actual hand, I'd bid 4♦ over 3♣, saying that I'm bidding game and I have a diamond fit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_clown Posted August 22, 2012 Report Share Posted August 22, 2012 I would like partner to declare but unfortunately 5♦ will be last train. Passing with a huge double fit is really scary, so I would probably settle for 5♥ and hope they dont lead a ♠ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billw55 Posted August 22, 2012 Report Share Posted August 22, 2012 Agree that 4♣ sets up a forcing pass. And partner didn't make it. He doubled. I have two aces. This is the five level. I pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jogs Posted August 22, 2012 Report Share Posted August 22, 2012 I think it is better to let partner in on the double fit by bidding 3♦ iso 4♣. The meaning of 4♣ is shortness, but I don't think it denies a spade control. Partners double shows he does not want to compete to the 5-level (but he might have felt differently if you had showed the diamond fit). Now pass. Steven I second this post. Fit jumps don't apply to this auction. FJs are used in contested auctions where opponent's have interfered before responder or advancer has had a chance to act. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil_20686 Posted August 22, 2012 Report Share Posted August 22, 2012 How do we know we have a huge double fit? can partner not be 3433? 4432? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_clown Posted August 22, 2012 Report Share Posted August 22, 2012 Sry I was assumind 1♦ shows 4+ cards. If I dont have that agreement, its a pure guess. Now I regret not showing my second suit, which would have allowed partner to make an intelligent decision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dake50 Posted August 22, 2012 Report Share Posted August 22, 2012 Would much have preferred 4D over 4C.Partner can infer (or 4D defined) that I have a C-control and looking up or I wouldn't blab a D-fit.Pass and hope this time partner was not misled so we miss a slam. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benlessard Posted August 22, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 22, 2012 IMO 3D is just a game try and will not put FP on. Slam is probably a long shot a 4C an overbid (where are the spades ? partner is highly likely to be bal 12-14) but im not sure its that big an overbid. AQxKxxxKQxxxx KxAKxxKJxxxxx because of the 2C overcall these rate to good slams. I think 4♣ says I'm bidding 4♥ to make, and sets up a forcing pass.Even in a casual partnership ? Also does 4D setup FP or its just to help partner compete over a possible 5C ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rsteele Posted August 22, 2012 Report Share Posted August 22, 2012 xxQJTxxAxxxxA NV/NV MP 1D-(P)--1H-(2C)2H-(3C)-4C-(5C)X--(P)--?? 2H show 4 card support.4C is not really discussed. I would assume that its a cue, it denies a S control and forcing pass is now on. Do you agree about 4C ? Note you dont play any jump show fit. What do you do over the X ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rsteele Posted August 22, 2012 Report Share Posted August 22, 2012 A very well thought out 4 club call. Assume you had set up the forcing pass situation with a 3 Diamond bid. Now over 5 clubs the double would usually portend two losing clubs and that is not what you care about. After 4 clubs ( which should be control showing as you could have bid diamonds or spades) the emphasis shifts to the unbid suit. I think the double shows two or more losing spades and now the remainder of the hand must be solid for you to make 6 hearts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted August 22, 2012 Report Share Posted August 22, 2012 Even in a casual partnership ?I try not to have casual partnerships. It's probably something that should be discussed. I'm sure there are lots of partnerships that play it as a slam try, but I think "I'm bidding game to make" is more common amongst good players. Also does 4D setup FP or its just to help partner compete over a possible 5C ?I think you can play it either way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfa1010 Posted August 22, 2012 Report Share Posted August 22, 2012 For me 4♣ here is a slam try. I would bid 4♦ showing a good fit there, which is not a slam try but a descriptive bid aimed at helping us coping with further competition. When I later double 5♣, partner knows that I think the board belongs to us and that he is invited to bid 5 over 5 or I wouldn't have bid 4♦ on the way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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