jdeegan Posted August 17, 2012 Report Share Posted August 17, 2012 :P IMP teams. Pick up partner is a self-described BBO expert. Your side is vul vs non-vul. You are third seat. Playing BBO 2/1.You hold:♠AQ1084♥K1098♦K10♣K10The bidding goes 1♣ by pard, pass by RHO, you call 1♠. LHO overcalls 2♦, partner passes as does RHO. You have not agreed to play support doubles. UR bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted August 17, 2012 Report Share Posted August 17, 2012 :P IMP teams. Pick up partner is a self-described BBO expert. Your side is vul vs non-vul. You are third seat. Playing BBO 2/1.You hold:♠AQ1084♥K1098♦K10♣K10The bidding goes 1♣ by pard, pass by RHO, you call 1♠. LHO overcalls 2♦, partner passes as does RHO. UR bid.X T/O which doesn't seem to appear, yet pass with a 15 count opposite an opening bid does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdeegan Posted August 17, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 17, 2012 X T/O which doesn't seem to appear, yet pass with a 15 count opposite an opening bid does.Sry, will fix. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted August 17, 2012 Report Share Posted August 17, 2012 :P IMP teams. Pick up partner is a self-described BBO expert.3NT ...................................... :rolleyes:I think you may have stumbled upon one of my old partners. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billw55 Posted August 17, 2012 Report Share Posted August 17, 2012 I voted 2♥ but I have doubts. If I was confident in partner's judgement about leaving or pulling a double, I would choose that, but with random BBO expert I am not. Of course, LHO (also a BBO expert) may be bidding on a trashy 5 card suit, I have seen this a lot. Then again he might have his bid. Double feels like a dice roll under the circumstances so I lean toward 2♥. I am pretty confident we can get +600 or 620 and while that may not be the best possible score, it can't be terrible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil_20686 Posted August 17, 2012 Report Share Posted August 17, 2012 2H is NF but constructive imo. If you are going to bid hearts you have to bid 3H. But this looks like a completely ordinary double to me. Also, this is a t/o double situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted August 17, 2012 Report Share Posted August 17, 2012 2H is NF but constructive imo. If you are going to bid hearts you have to bid 3H. But this looks like a completely ordinary double to me. Also, this is a t/o double situation. Unless you play Reverse Flannery. I double. If partner sits, we are getting rich. If he pulls to 2♥ I know what to do. Not sure about other continuations, but nothing presents a problem that that makes anything than a double superior. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSGibson Posted August 17, 2012 Report Share Posted August 17, 2012 I'm going to bid 3♦ in the circumstances described. I'm afraid anything else I do will be misconstrued. By doing so, I recognize that we might not get to the optimum spot, but in an area with no agreements and playing with some random...My primary concern is to make clear calls, rather than calls that require interpretation/judgment. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kayin801 Posted August 17, 2012 Report Share Posted August 17, 2012 I would double and bid 3NT if partner bids anything besides 2♥. Partner should realize that we have 5 spades on this auction and can correct 3NT to 4♠, otherwise we would have just bid 3NT directly or would have started with 1♥ with 4-4 in the majors. I'm not going to assume that partner can't make rational bidding decisions and operate with 3NT directly or 3♦/3♥. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSGibson Posted August 17, 2012 Report Share Posted August 17, 2012 I'm not going to assume that partner can't make rational bidding decisions and operate with 3NT directly or 3♦/3♥. I've played with people who, though they are good players (BBO experts), would define that double as penalty. I would personally play it as cooperative, with 3 trump and no clear direction the most common hand type. Even if partner passes with a good 3 card holding on a 2-3-3-5, thinking we've made a cooperative double, I don't want to be defending 2♦ at this vulerability when we are surely a favorite for 3N unless partner actually has a penalty double, which he is unlikely to have given our own holding. Double is perfectly fine in a practiced partnership. Here, I would think that it has the potential for a negative swing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhm Posted August 17, 2012 Report Share Posted August 17, 2012 3NT is the practical bid in a pickup partnership. It could be important to play from this side. In fact I rather play 3NT from this side than 4♥ from partner's side. There must be a reason I got all these intermediates. Rainer Herrmann Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lalldonn Posted August 17, 2012 Report Share Posted August 17, 2012 Double seems easy to me. If partner can pass I'm very happy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kuhchung Posted August 17, 2012 Report Share Posted August 17, 2012 Voted for pass. Couldn't resist. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted August 17, 2012 Report Share Posted August 17, 2012 Double seems easy to me. If partner can pass I'm very happy. ditto Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted August 17, 2012 Report Share Posted August 17, 2012 Double is obvious if this is a bridge question. If it is about how to handle self proclaimed BBO experts, then I don't know what's best. I guess that if this is not the first hand then you have some idea of how good or bad partner is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jogs Posted August 18, 2012 Report Share Posted August 18, 2012 3NT is the practical bid in a pickup partnership. It could be important to play from this side. In fact I rather play 3NT from this side than 4♥ from partner's side. There must be a reason I got all these intermediates. Rainer Herrmann Agree, this hand plays better from our side. -------♦ Qxx ♦ AJ98xx------ ♦ xx -------♦ KT Rather have LHO lead a diamond than RHO lead a diamond.No reason to believe 4♥ makes more often than 3NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted August 18, 2012 Report Share Posted August 18, 2012 I would x though I give serious consideration to 3H. The problem with x is if partner bids 3H over the double this contract is wrong sided. However i think this is a glass half emty approach. Did i read correctly that one poster passed? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gszes Posted August 19, 2012 Report Share Posted August 19, 2012 double is indeed a very nice looking bid here but is it possibly shortsighted??? rhm makes a very important point that it may be veryimportant to right side this contract (though i do not like the 3n bid because while practical it is not flexible enough bypassingpossible 4h and 4s contracts). P passed over 2d so there is a much more likely chance openeris a balanced min than one with a longgggggg club suit and justbarely squeaking out a 1c bid. Taking that into considerationi feel 3h is the best bid overall because it gives us 2 waysto win outright---we right side hearts and if p can bid 3n our diaKx will be a pleasant surprise. If p can bid spades we will break even. The tox will keep hearts in play but will be less likely to get usto 3n when we cannot play a major since opener will be more likely to sit for the x than bid 3n. Over 3h they will have no choice but to try3n and we will like that. A case can be made that 3h should promise 5h (else use tox). We would not do this if there was no competition and i see little reason to assume that justbecause there was a 2c bid we now have to show 5 vs 4. There is no chance this can go wrong since opener will merely bid 3s with a doubleton (assuming they cannot bid 3n) and wont raise hearts unless they have 4. The conversionto 3s with 23 in the majors (or less) keeps the bidding alive and allows us tofurther describe our hand (we will then bid 3n). If opener has 3 card spade supportor 4 card heart support they cue bid or bid game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil_20686 Posted August 19, 2012 Report Share Posted August 19, 2012 double is indeed a very nice looking bid here but is it possibly shortsighted??? rhm makes a very important point that it may be veryimportant to right side this contract (though i do not like the 3n bid because while practical it is not flexible enough bypassingpossible 4h and 4s contracts). P passed over 2d so there is a much more likely chance openeris a balanced min than one with a longgggggg club suit and justbarely squeaking out a 1c bid. Taking that into considerationi feel If partner cannot bid spades after the double, he must be 2344. I am not overly worried about diamond stoppers in that case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdeegan Posted August 20, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 20, 2012 :P The whole hand:[hv=pc=n&s=s96haq6dj73caj982&w=skj753hj7d96cq754&n=saqt84hkt98dktckt&e=s2h5432daq8542c63&d=s&v=n&b=15&a=1cp1s2dppdppp]399|300[/hv]Strange hand in some ways. East's 2♦ call is dubious to say the least. Without it you make 3NT with proper play even after a diamond lead. Somehow our BBO expert opponents at the other table managed to go down after no 2♦ bid. So, 2♦ doubled turned out to be a good score. I was South and didn't know whether the damn double was cooperative or takeout or what. Decided to take the sure plus. I think it is a bit risky to double for takeout (much less cooperative) with the North hand in that vulnerability when you have an almost certain game. You have to hold 2♦ doubled to four tricks to get 800. Even when pard has ♦KJxx behind the bidder, declarer's six-bagger and one side trick is good enough for 500. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted August 20, 2012 Report Share Posted August 20, 2012 I guess you were the one that passed with Jxx then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted August 20, 2012 Report Share Posted August 20, 2012 I think it is a bit risky to double for takeout (much less cooperative) with the North hand in that vulnerability when you have an almost certain game. You have to hold 2♦ doubled to four tricks to get 800. Even when pard has ♦KJxx behind the bidder, declarer's six-bagger and one side trick is good enough for 500. Partner won't have KJxx because you have the king. If partner has a real penalty pass then combined with your K10 you might well hold them to 2 diamond tricks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted August 21, 2012 Report Share Posted August 21, 2012 East's 2D is dubious? What should easy do, jump to 3D? Pass? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted August 21, 2012 Report Share Posted August 21, 2012 lol expert forum 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdeegan Posted August 21, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 21, 2012 Partner won't have KJxx because you have the king. If partner has a real penalty pass then combined with your K10 you might well hold them to 2 diamond tricks. :P Sorry to have confused you by going from the specific to the general case in the same paragraph. Not good writing at all. As you can see, on the actual hand declarer wins five diamond tricks - we have to lead trumps for him lest he ruff two clubs in the dummy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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