humilities Posted August 16, 2012 Report Share Posted August 16, 2012 Matchpoints, We are NV, they are VUL, opponents are unknown. We play a pretty normal 2/1. xxxxAKQxxAQ9x 1D P 1S (3H)?? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billw55 Posted August 16, 2012 Report Share Posted August 16, 2012 In situations like this, I find it much easier to pass when partner still has a call coming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjbrr Posted August 16, 2012 Report Share Posted August 16, 2012 I wouldn't consider anything but pass. You have no idea even if it's our hand or what strain we might play in or at what level. It's hard to play 3NT or 3Hx when you bid 4C. Maybe defending 3H undoubled is right. Furthermore xxx in H is the worst holding we can have and is another reason why bidding 4C is bad. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted August 16, 2012 Report Share Posted August 16, 2012 In situations like this, I find it much easier to pass when partner still has a call coming.The question is what hands will partner pass when you'd want him to bid ? Axxx, Kxx, xxx, Kxx ? There are a lot of hands with 3 hearts and this sort of point count where partner can't bid again Qxxx, Axx, Jx, Kxxx where 5♣ is good and 3N will probably make. I think it's close P/ToX, nothing else appeals. NV/V I might well double. If you think partner reopens on those hands, consider how they play opposite the 3343 12 count you could easily hold on this sequence Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted August 16, 2012 Report Share Posted August 16, 2012 We are NV, they are VUL, NV/V I might well double.Those are the conditions given. Our double is defined as very short in Partner's response suit, extra strength, and no suit of the appropriate length for a bid in that suit. It warns partner off rebidding his response suit. Is that called takeout? informative? action? I don't know what to call it but it looks like what I have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted August 16, 2012 Report Share Posted August 16, 2012 It's called penalty oriented and it looks bad. I voted for double but I misread the auction, thinking partner had bid 1H and the opponents 3S. In that case we have a perfect (takeout!) double. On the actual auction we have a normal pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted August 16, 2012 Report Share Posted August 16, 2012 It's called penalty oriented and it looks bad.Maybe for you, it's takeout for us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted August 16, 2012 Report Share Posted August 16, 2012 Maybe for you, it's takeout for us.Cyberyeti, you misread Han's post. He said the aquahombre's style is called "penalty oriented", not this his own style is called "penalty oriented". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted August 16, 2012 Report Share Posted August 16, 2012 It's called penalty oriented and it looks bad.It doesn't look pretty, for sure. But considering I might have a rather normal 3-3-4-3 12 count for a pass, at least it warns partner against rebalancing with a pressure 3S bid when that is wrong. And I do have a few quick tricks with a good possibility that defending will be more profitable than declaring. If pard does bid 3S, it will be in the full knowledge of my lack of support and my extra strength, so I don't have to worry about that. Partner could pull double to the right spot with certain minor suit lengths if double describes this. It would be nice to have a heart card, but oh, well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted August 16, 2012 Report Share Posted August 16, 2012 Cyberyeti, you misread Han's post. He said the aquahombre's style is called "penalty oriented", not this his own style is called "penalty oriented". Yes, that's how I intended my post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkham Posted August 16, 2012 Report Share Posted August 16, 2012 Double, have to show we've a decent hand. Unfortunate that with us having three hearts partner is unlikely to be able to have a penalty pass though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lalldonn Posted August 16, 2012 Report Share Posted August 16, 2012 Pass? It's marginal to do anything if they had bid just 2♥. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kuhchung Posted August 16, 2012 Report Share Posted August 16, 2012 what a bad hand Say we pass it around and partner doubles. Now what? I would just leave it in. Is that crazy? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted August 16, 2012 Report Share Posted August 16, 2012 Yes, that's how I intended my post.Sorry, happens when people reply to a post without quoting any of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted August 18, 2012 Report Share Posted August 18, 2012 Easy pass for me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted August 19, 2012 Report Share Posted August 19, 2012 No I do not feel like bidding. 4C is insane by the way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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