How should bidding gone?

[dickiegera]

[hv=pc=n&s=skjt84hakdj762c76&n=s952hqjtda983ckq4&d=n&v=0&b=1&a=1ddr1hp1n2s3hp3n4ddppp]266|200[/hv]

 

I did not care for South's REDOUBLE and

South's 4♦. I believe that south should not redouble when he has a bid namely 1♠

 

Comments please.

 

Also after all is said and done 3NT should have been doubled. Down 4 probably.

Instead 4♦ was down 3.

 

East was 4-1-4-4 with 16 pts and West had 7 Hearts and no pts

 

Thank you

[blackshoe]

Suppose the auction had gone[hv=d=n&v=0&b=1&a=1dd1s2h]133|100[/hv]

Would you bid now? If you pass, and East bids 3NT, would you expect partner to double? If it came around to you, would you double? What if West bid 3♥?

 

When it goes as you reported, and partner bids 2♠ after redoubling, what do you think he has?

 

I agree that 4♦ was a bad choice.

[ahydra]

Bidding looks fine to me until 4D, which is plain silly. Doubling 3NT is the clear choice.

 

It would also be the clear choice after 1D-(X)-1S-(2H); p-(3NT) - but that doesn't make the XX incorrect. An XX gets across the fact you have good values, making it easier for partner to double opponents. Some partnerships may not even consider 1S to be 100% forcing (for example, if West passed North might also pass with that flat minimum).

 

ahydra

[rsteele]

[hv=pc=n&s=skjt84hakdj762c76&n=s952hqjtda983ckq4&d=n&v=0&b=1&a=1ddr1hp1n2s3hp3n4ddppp]266|200[/hv]

 

I did not care for South's REDOUBLE and

South's 2♦. I believe that south should not redouble when he has a bid namely 1♠

 

Comments please.

 

Also after all is said and done 3NT should have been doubled. Down 4 probably.

Instead 4♦ was down 3.

 

East was 4-1-4-4 with 16 pts and West had 7 Hearts and no pts

 

Thank you

[rsteele]

I am not in love with redouble and 4 diamonds is beyond the pale but what were you waiting for over three hearts? In any good partnership each person should examine his (or her) own bidding first.

[jillybean]

Redouble is horrible, south has a clear 1♠ bid.

Failing to double 3N is worse but what the heck were your opponents smoking?

[blackshoe]

Why is redouble horrible, Kathryn?

[gszes]

i like the xx we can always show spades later if we do not with to x the opps.

 

why not x 1n what is the big rush to show spades now all of a sudden? Surely

we would be happy with playing 1n x so lets go for it. If we did not intend to take

advantage of penalty situations we should not xx.

 

I have no idea how the bidding would go after x of 1n (presumably 2h by lho in which

case now we can bid 2s) if rho gets antsy and bids 2h we have an anvil ready and waiting.

[MrAce]

Why is redouble horrible, Kathryn?

 

If rdbl showed 5+ spades and 11+ hcp then it is not horrible of course.

 

1x-DBL-1Y F1 and 4+

 

There are hands you may decide to start RDBL, but you do that when you are expecting them to have no good fit and/or planning to punish them. Kathryn was polite when she said RDBL was horrible, you don't wanna hear my opinion about the RDBL in this auction.

 

RDBL is horrible because

 

-You are letting your LHO bid his ♥ suit at 1 level

-You are taking the risk of being preempted before you get to introduce your suit.

-Because of delaying to bid your suit, you will waste space in your next turn(s)

-Because of introducing your suit later, you will also have to introduce your fit in diamond later ( or you will have to hide it)

-RDBL may immediately show your strength but i don't know why people think this is important especially when their hand has lot more stories to tell to pd and starting with your natural bid DOES NOT deny the strength you hold anyway.

-It is horrible because this hand is neither strong enough to make GF and introduce his suit+ his support later, nor has any penalty plans before 4 level by opponents.

-RDBL disables your side from using DBL conveniently if auction gets competitive, due to the nature of RDBL.

 

Everyone has their own ways, mine is simple, jump shift by responder is fit showing and inv+ in competition and/or by passed hand.

 

1♦-X-2♠ shows my 5 card spade + 4 card diamond + my values. It aint perfect i know. Some people play xfers responses. But playing 1 level suits as limited and NF and redoubling with all 10+ hcps or whatever their limit is, worse than horrible imo.

[blackshoe]

RDBL is horrible because…

Thank you, Kathryn. :P

[SteveMoe]

Everyone has their own ways, mine is simple, jump shift by responder is fit showing and inv+ in competition and/or by passed hand.

 

1♦-X-2♠ shows my 5 card spade + 4 card diamond + my values. It aint perfect i know. Some people play xfers responses. But playing 1 level suits as limited and NF and redoubling with all 10+ hcps or whatever their limit is, worse than horrible imo.

 

Couldn't say it better MrAce! I like your approach with 2M jumps as fit-showing.

[awm]

Redouble is not necessarily horrible; but south needs to make a decision whether he is trying to defend doubled or bid his own contract. By redoubling he started off trying to defend but then kept bidding rather than doubling! Where was double of 3nt? Heck, where was double of 1nt?

[blackshoe]

2♠ is reasonable, instead of a double of 1NT (which IMO would tend to deny a suit). Double of 3NT would be more than reasonable. B-)

[jillybean]

RDBL is horrible because

 

Thank you, Kathryn. :P

 

Oh I see I've come back to this late. Thanks for covering my ass Timo :P

[jillybean]

i like the xx we can always show spades later if we do not with to x the opps.

 

why not x 1n what is the big rush to show spades now all of a sudden? Surely

we would be happy with playing 1n x so lets go for it. If we did not intend to take

advantage of penalty situations we should not xx.

 

I have no idea how the bidding would go after x of 1n (presumably 2h by lho in which

case now we can bid 2s) if rho gets antsy and bids 2h we have an anvil ready and waiting.

It's a bad sign when your post is upvoted by Lurpoa. :o