Just Checking - II

[phil_20686]

Sorry Phil, I disagree, well maybe 14 but a poor 14.

 

The idea from an earlier construct of yours that pard can have 17 after the opps bid 1, 2 then 3♥ and pard tried to simply buy the partscore at every step points to aliens at the table.

 

I don't think the double showing 4 OR 5 spades is common at all and the posters here don't seem to be familiar with it....... at all. And it gave your pard a big headache. Re-think it?

 

If I have 11-14 and three spades, I show partner my spades. That way when they bid hearts, partner will know what to do. The only reason not to show my spades at once is if I am good enough to show my spades at a higher level later. Obviously it doesnt always work out that way, but what can you do. I have passed up the chance to bid 1S. Therefore I have denied a weak hand with three spades.

 

If I had more than 17, I need to make a stronger bid than a NF two clubs.

[Flem72]

A97x KJx QT7x xx

 

1♦ - (1♥) - dbl* - (p);

2♣ - (2♥) - 3♦ - (3♥);

3♠ - (p) - 3N - (p);

4♦ - (p) - ?

 

* - 4 or 5 spades

 

I also don't get the possibly 5 S thing, I saw two very good players end up in a shouting match over that style (which seems to be a SoCal thing?) after losing a good regional Bracket 2 KO b/c of it. Nevertheless: 3D = the neg X didn't show C, and did show S with D, but not 5S b/c 2S was available, and somewhat ambiguous as to HCP; 3N = yes, only 4 S, but decent H and decent HCP, bal. So why doesn't pard pass 3N? or in view of the ambiguity of 3D, pass 3H, since s/he doesn't expect 5S and short H?

[Phil]

I also don't get the possibly 5 S thing, I saw two very good players end up in a shouting match over that style (which seems to be a SoCal thing?) after losing a good regional Bracket 2 KO b/c of it. Nevertheless: 3D = the neg X didn't show C, and did show S with D, but not 5S b/c 2S was available, and somewhat ambiguous as to HCP; 3N = yes, only 4 S, but decent H and decent HCP, bal. So why doesn't pard pass 3N? or in view of the ambiguity of 3D, pass 3H, since s/he doesn't expect 5S and short H?

 

Hardly anyone I know from So Cal plays it.

[aguahombre]

Perhaps it's worth discussing why double of 1 heart is 4-5 spades?

 

This is a very common method he seemed to understand the nuances of it pre-game.

Not only is it common, allowing 1S to deny spades (responding hand, but directionless), it is tailor-made for the further agreement that opener's 1S rebid shows exactly 3. It is certainly better than our 1S showing 4+ (They don't allow a 1S rebid by opener over 1S.)

 

Unfortunately, opener didn't know to rebid 1S and created a cluster-f***.

[kfay]

I would take 3♠ as a 3-step sequence, much like:

 

1♦ - 1♠

2♣ - 2N

3♠

 

I addressed this in my first post but I don't think it's 100% analogous. Maybe 1/3 of the hands that would want to bid this way are game-forcing after partner decides he's too strong to just pass 1♥ (as I said, this shoes something). Which is why his bidding seemed so weird to me.

[han]

It's possible that partner would not bid 1S with a 3-1-5-4 distribution and something like a 16-count, being afraid that 1S would show a weaker hand and would end the auction. However, with a 3-1-5-4 distribution partner would always pass 3NT after this auction.

 

For his actual bidding he clearly has a nice hand with a 3-0-6-4 distribution. With 3-0-5-5 he would have bid 4C instead of 4D. Really I don't think that he can have any other shape. He must have significant extras otherwise he would have bid 1S instead of 2C.

 

I would bid 5D.

[JLOGIC]

This is exactly what I thought. Kxx void AKJxxx AQxx?

 

Why would one bid 2 clubs with this hand?

[Lurpoa]

5♦

 

 

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