Hanoi5 Posted August 3, 2012 Report Share Posted August 3, 2012 Red vs white, MP's: ♠Q8x♥AKQx♦KJTxxx♣--- Pa-1♦-Pa-1♥Pa-??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted August 3, 2012 Report Share Posted August 3, 2012 prefer 4c. 4.5 loser hand with great h and void in clubs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sasioc Posted August 3, 2012 Report Share Posted August 3, 2012 4♣ for me, unless you respond really light. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ggwhiz Posted August 3, 2012 Report Share Posted August 3, 2012 I'm so alergic to splinters from early abuse of same by partners when I started, I don't play them anymore. A 2♠ reverse followed by 4♥ is called for in this style and that's if pard responds a "slow down" 2nt bid. Anything else is a game force and we are in the slam zone so this could work out too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSGibson Posted August 3, 2012 Report Share Posted August 3, 2012 I would consider 4♦, but I think 4♣ is ultimately more descriptive - any honors outside of clubs are useful, any in clubs are not. It also allows for a 4♦ last train. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gszes Posted August 3, 2012 Report Share Posted August 3, 2012 you have enough to bid 4h and the 4c bid lets p knowimmediately where a lot of your game going value came from (short clubs). The fact that you bid 4c immediately should get the idea across that you do not have a ton of power (youwould have chosen reverses or other forcing bids to show power). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted August 3, 2012 Report Share Posted August 3, 2012 not interesting yet. 4♣, no second choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasetb Posted August 3, 2012 Report Share Posted August 3, 2012 The Diamonds aren't solid enough for you to think about 4♦, so I will splinter with 4♣ as well. Glad to see there's a few people who know what the auction 1m - 1M ; 4m means. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siegmund Posted August 3, 2012 Report Share Posted August 3, 2012 I like 4D better than many of the other posters do.. but among the 3 listed choices 4C is the standout. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted August 3, 2012 Report Share Posted August 3, 2012 not interesting yet. 4♣, no second choice. Does it still deny a spade control for you Ben? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWO4BRIDGE Posted August 3, 2012 Report Share Posted August 3, 2012 I like 4D better than many of the other posters do.. but among the 3 listed choices 4C is the standout.I like the descriptive 4♦! also ( showing GF values with 4h/6d w/shortness in one of the blacks ) CWNN ( Convention With No Name )....Only 15 hcp but it's a 5 loser hand with a fit afterall . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted August 4, 2012 Report Share Posted August 4, 2012 Unfortunately, we cannot choose between 4D and 4C. 4♣ is the same "No name" 4-6, but slammish, not a splinter for us. So, our choice is between 4D non slammish 4-6 and tucking in with 3♥ (about 16-18 support points, unbalanced). With XXX AKQX KQJXXX V, 4D would be obvious. With this one, yuk. 3♥, but close to lying with 4♦ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted August 4, 2012 Report Share Posted August 4, 2012 specting partner to move over 4♥ when we have ♥AKQ is ridicoulius, we need to make a slam try ourselves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted August 7, 2012 Report Share Posted August 7, 2012 Does it still deny a spade control for you Ben? In established partnerships were we have discussed splinters, yes. It would deny first or second round control of the 4th suit... just what I have here. Sadly, my primary partners who I played this with are not playing (one had a stroke a few years back, the other has stopped playing). My current partner knows the splinter rules, he just forgets them, or overlooks them, from time to time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted August 7, 2012 Report Share Posted August 7, 2012 I like the descriptive 4♦! also ( showing GF values with 4h/6d w/shortness in one of the blacks ) CWNN ( Convention With No Name )....Only 15 hcp but it's a 5 loser hand with a fit afterall . Fo most players 4D should show solid/semi solid Ds which you do not have. I would bid 4C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmnka447 Posted August 7, 2012 Report Share Posted August 7, 2012 I'll join in with those preferring 4 ♣. The ♦ suit isn't good enough for 4 ♦. You do have a 4 loser hand, but really don't have good honor texture in the pointed suits you hold. So 4 ♣ seems the most descriptive. It also assures you'll get to game which your loser count indicates is right. If you held something like ♠ Axx ♥ AKxx ♦ AJ10xxx ♣ - , you might consider a jump shift to 2 ♠ followed by a jump in ♥s. 4 ♥, I think, should be reserved for those flattish 19-20 point mooses where you're bidding game on the powerfulness of your hand. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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