the_dude Posted August 1, 2012 Report Share Posted August 1, 2012 Game all, IMPs KQ8xxxxxxQAJx 1H (P) 1NT ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil_20686 Posted August 1, 2012 Report Share Posted August 1, 2012 4S seems obvious to me. I could live with two spades since you have enough that you might buy the auction there. On the other hand, you might buy the auction in 2S when partner has the club Q and an ace, in which case you are good for 4S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billw55 Posted August 1, 2012 Report Share Posted August 1, 2012 4S seems obvious to me. I could live with two spades since you have enough that you might buy the auction there. On the other hand, you might buy the auction in 2S when partner has the club Q and an ace, in which case you are good for 4S.... unless you have two trump losers. I think I have to ask myself right now if I will bid 4♠ over 4♥. If the answer is yes, I might as well bid 4♠ now. BTW nice touch specifying the ♠8 with five spots below it. heheh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted August 1, 2012 Report Share Posted August 1, 2012 3♠ seems adequate. I guess I'm getting old. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lalldonn Posted August 1, 2012 Report Share Posted August 1, 2012 4♠ wtp. 3♠ is lol to me, sorry. The king of clubs alone gives a play for game. Imagine if partner has that and an ace or so, is he just supposed to raise 3♠? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ggwhiz Posted August 1, 2012 Report Share Posted August 1, 2012 2♠ for no reason other than a preference to let pard show a sign of life including smashing them if they get too high over the 3 or 4♠ I decide to bid next. Any other bid and all pards bidding cards except the green one vanish most of the time and I have pretty good defence opposite a mild heart stack and a bit of soft minor suit cards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerclee Posted August 3, 2012 Report Share Posted August 3, 2012 Don't be too smart to make normal bids, there is no alternative to 4S on this hand. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhm Posted August 3, 2012 Report Share Posted August 3, 2012 Don't be too smart to make normal bids, there is no alternative to 4S on this hand.What is so smart in going for 500 against nothing?RHO has probably less than 3 hearts putting 10 cards in hearts between your partner and LHO What is so clever preempting aggressively after both opponents have already bid?Should a vulnerable 3♠ bid after both opponents have bid in front of you show a weak hand? I doubt it. Preempts work best when opponents had no chance yet to exchange information about their hands.The more they bid already the better they will be able to judge correctly and the stronger and conservative your preempts should be. Of course partner must be on the same wavelength. If it is right to bid "only" 3♠ in this position he should raise on any excuse.Yes, I can see a few layouts where it might be best to bid 4♠ straight away or where 4♠ will make and partner will not raise. It does not prove that 4♠ is the percentage bid. Rainer Herrmann Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted August 3, 2012 Report Share Posted August 3, 2012 Hi, Most likely I would go with 4S. An option is also to pass, it is not very likely, that this willend the auction. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wank Posted August 3, 2012 Report Share Posted August 3, 2012 Preempts work best when opponents had no chance yet to exchange information about their hands. A forcing or semi-forcing 1NT response doesn't provide a great deal of information, does it? RHO could have all kinds of distibutional stuff or a heart raise. Anyway, 4S isn't so much of a pre-empt as a genuine attempt to make game. Partner can't be expected to raise often enough here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted August 3, 2012 Report Share Posted August 3, 2012 I hate to agree with RHM on bidding theory, but I think his principles are sound. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gszes Posted August 3, 2012 Report Share Posted August 3, 2012 i would be a ton happier with 4s if my hand were AKQ8xxxx x Q Jxx there is nothing wrong with bidding 2s now and bidding 4s over lho 4hsince at that point you know neither lho nor rho has long spades anddown 2 should be the worst you should do. While a direct 4s bid might be successful it is also subject more to thewhims of distribution since we still know so little about lho hand. I wouldbe more than willing to pay off to missing game opposite xxx xxx xxxx KQxif it meant never playing 4s x when lho has spade length behind me. The mere fact I was willing to enter the bidding with 2s in an active auctionshould show a fairly decent spade suit and if p can manage a raise (or even bid 2n) I will be more than happy to bid game. 4s has an additional benefit that 2s does not have and that helping to block outa potential dia fit for the opps. I do not consider 4s a horrid bid (and would bid itat MP) I just think 2s is safer overall with not much downside at imps. 2s=8 4s=7 3s=3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerclee Posted August 4, 2012 Report Share Posted August 4, 2012 Of course partner must be on the same wavelength. If it is right to bid "only" 3♠ in this position he should raise on any excuse.I guess if I played a convention where a 3S bid shows a 4S bid, I would bid 3S. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted August 4, 2012 Report Share Posted August 4, 2012 I hate to agree with RHM on bidding theory, but I think his principles are sound. lol I guess if I played a convention where a 3S bid shows a 4S bid, I would bid 3S. lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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