A hand from last night

[chasetb]

This hand happened in the World Youth Championship last night. I was a commentator, and I said what I would have done, 3 different kibitzers messaged me choosing the other three choices in the poll. I want to see what you BBFers would say. I think I know, but I could be wrong. Note - I will NOT add a multi 2♦, since this pair did not play it.

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EDIT - I had it at the time showing seat and vulnerability, but apparently if there's no bids in the auction, then they don't show the auction and only show the hand. First seat, favorable vul.

Edited July 31, 2012 by chasetb

[Phil]

I'm on record for 1♥.

[ColdCrayon]

I'd think in most systems the AK in diamonds (aside from the broken Q-high hearts) makes a preempt out of the question, but it's opening strength. So 1♥ for me too.

[Cyberyeti]

Vul/position ?

 

3rd in I'd consider 3♥ NV, pass is in the frame in 4th, but 1st or 2nd 1♥ seems obvious.

[keylime]

2H for me. Yes I know Zar points tells me I can open 1H, but, what happens if pard bids 2S in 3rd seat (if this is 1st seat)? Yuck. And playing 2/1, opening 1H leads to issues in 2/1 auctions where you go 1H-2C-2D-2S-3H-3NT and you table a hand that is suited for suit play.

[CSGibson]

1♥, do not feel strongly about it though, just like it more than any heart preempt, pass, or tactical psyching.

[the hog]

Definitely NOT 1H for me unless I am playing Lobs. Prefer pass as 7 of my 9 points are outside my main suit. I can live with 2H.

[phil_20686]

Semi-constructive weak twos solve exactly this kind of problem :)

[655321]

1♥.

 

I really really hate a 2♥ opening under these conditions (dealer, w/r). If not allowed to open 1♥ I would open 4♥, I don't even think a 4♥ opening is terrible (again, as dealer and w/r).

[MrAce]

I just can not believe there are people who values this hand less than a flat 12 hcp. (and i am being generous, those who watched spingold, BB, Vandy in vugraph probably observed that almost all flat 11 hcp hands are opened )

 

6-4 and all 9 hcps in my suits, with 2 side quick tricks in defense, awesome vulnerability, and i pass/preempt 2-3 ♥?

[the hog]

I just can not believe there are people who values this hand less than a flat 12 hcp. (and i am being generous, those who watched spingold, BB, Vandy in vugraph probably observed that almost all flat 11 hcp hands are opened )

 

6-4 and all 9 hcps in my suits, with 2 side quick tricks in defense, awesome vulnerability, and i pass/preempt 2-3 ♥?

 

MrAce, as this hand and a flat 11/12 count are two totally different hand types your comment is totally meaningless at worst and misleading at best. I will explain for you:

after 1x 1y 1NT pd can expect a flat 11-13, (14) hand and proceed accordingly.

Playing 2/1, after 1H 2C 2D or similar, partner will not expect a 9 count. He will force to game with any decent 12 or 13+. Now if the hands do not fit too well you will have little hope of making

[gszes]

2h or 3h may have chances for success but will leave partner forever in doubt

about how to procedd in the future since your possible hand ranges are so wide

they are unplayable.

 

The main argument is for or against 1h. While some of the elements of a light opening bid

are present not all of them are.

 

1. defense this hand contains 2 quick tricks and since they are outside our long suit the

probability they are good quick tricks increases dramatically.

 

2. Lead direction while this is a 6 bagger the suit quality fails to meet this qualification.

 

3. preemption-the 1h bid actually increases the odds the opps will find spades because it is

generally easier to overcall 1s than open 1s. This is bad---- If the void had been in clubs this

hand would look better.

 

4. this is not the weak type of hand that plays reasonably well in misfit cases. The lack of

heart quality does not offer one much hope of development if no heart fit so p will often put

us in hopeless games expecting a significantly better hand.

 

5. Some success can be expected if lho passes and p can raise to 4h. This may shut out the opps

that is the best scenario. The quesiton is does it occur often enough to make up for the frequent

poor results.

 

Overall I pass but I have some sympathy for anyone that opens 1h.

[Phil]

MrAce, as this hand and a flat 11/12 count are two totally different hand types your comment is totally meaningless at worst and misleading at best. I will explain for you:

after 1x 1y 1NT pd can expect a flat 11-13, (14) hand and proceed accordingly.

Playing 2/1, after 1H 2C 2D or similar, partner will not expect a 9 count. He will force to game with any decent 12 or 13+. Now if the hands do not fit too well you will have little hope of making

 

True, Timo should have clarified his statement to say a 'flat 11 or 12' was a hand more like Qxx Jxxxx Qxx AK or maybe Qx Qxxxxx Ax Kxx which are much uglier hands than the OP and would opened by 100% of the field in a significant event.

[Siegmund]

I am old enough to think pass is completely obvious.

 

I appreciate the playing strength is there for a 1H opening, that is my (distant) second choice, but this is not the hand partner expects when it goes 1H-1S-2H and REALLY not the hand he expects if I rebid 2D.

[lalldonn]

Playing 2/1, after 1H 2C 2D or similar, partner will not expect a 9 count. He will force to game with any decent 12 or 13+. Now if the hands do not fit too well you will have little hope of making

What if he has a decent 12 or 13+ and the hands do fit well?

[Fluffy]

2♥ is the worst option by far, missestates offensive values and defensive values.

 

pass with void in spades is a joke also, forcing us to take a second round gamble.

 

1♥ is easy, but gambling 3 or 4♥ is a reasonable gamble if you want a swing.