mike777 Posted July 30, 2012 Report Share Posted July 30, 2012 You hold…… KQT9xx,Ax,Ax,KJx Matchpoints……..the opponents are silent. You open 1S, partner bids a FORCING NT. What is your rebid and why. edit...added 3c and 4s to the poll options. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted July 30, 2012 Report Share Posted July 30, 2012 (edited) No, we don't have a gadget to show 6 spades and invite game, other than 3S. Whether 1NT was forcing or not doesn't seem to matter. Edit: make the hand a bit stronger, and we do have a gadget of sorts: 3N=Game and 6th spade. Edited July 30, 2012 by aguahombre 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diana_eva Posted July 30, 2012 Report Share Posted July 30, 2012 .... Whether 1NT was forcing or not doesn't seem to matter. Why doesn't it matter? The way I learned 2/1, a 2nt rebid here wd have promised 18-19 points. But in sayc it's 15-17 I think. I don't know how "standard" that is, but i met plenty people on BBO playing it like me, even without prior agreement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted July 30, 2012 Report Share Posted July 30, 2012 Why doesn't it matter? The way I learned 2/1, a 2nt rebid here wd have promised 18-19 points. But in sayc it's 15-17 I think. I don't know how "standard" that is, but i met plenty people on BBO playing it like me, even without prior agreement.Did you notice the hand is not 5-3-3-2? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billw55 Posted July 30, 2012 Report Share Posted July 30, 2012 I'm on the fence between 3♠ and 4♠. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diana_eva Posted July 30, 2012 Report Share Posted July 30, 2012 Did you notice the hand is not 5-3-3-2? Yes. I don't think it's unreasonable to at least consider a 2NT rebid in MPs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted July 30, 2012 Report Share Posted July 30, 2012 Yes. I don't think it's unreasonable to at least consider a 2NT rebid in MPs.In that case, the fact that 1NT was Forcing does indeed matter. SAYC does allow for a 2NT rebid with 15-17, but in SAYC 1NT is not forcing, SO: Since we are in a 2/1 style, considering a 2NT rebid is considering a misstatement of both our points and our number of spades. Whether that is reasonable to do is up to you. I would rather not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diana_eva Posted July 30, 2012 Report Share Posted July 30, 2012 In that case, the fact that 1NT was Forcing does indeed matter. SAYC does allow for a 2NT rebid with 15-17, but in SAYC 1NT is not forcing, SO: Since we are in a 2/1 style, considering a 2NT rebid is considering a misstatement of both our points and our number of spades. Whether that is reasonable to do is up to you. I would rather not. Yup :) Now you see why I said 1nt forcing matters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_dude Posted July 30, 2012 Report Share Posted July 30, 2012 Doesn't look like the right hand mess around with 2NT to me ... opponents are likely to figure out which Ax to lead and my black suit tricks are slow. I bid 3S at MP ... might bid 4S at IMPs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wyman Posted July 30, 2012 Report Share Posted July 30, 2012 I would strongly consider 2N, since 17 with a decent 6-bagger sure feels like 18, plus if partner has Qxx(xx) opp my Ax, it's protected on lead. But I think 3S is pretty normal as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted July 30, 2012 Report Share Posted July 30, 2012 3♠ is blindingly obvious. I would give a moments thought to 2♣, if my spades were weaker. 2N and 3N are genii calls. I don't know what 4♠ is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nigel_k Posted July 30, 2012 Report Share Posted July 30, 2012 Our problem is that we are worth three and a half spades. Neither 2♣ nor 2NT helps to solve that problem. 2♣ followed by three spades suggests a weaker spade suit, not this hand. I would bid 3♠, but 4♠ is tempting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMoe Posted July 31, 2012 Report Share Posted July 31, 2012 This hand is right in between 3♣ and 3♠. I think 3♠ is enough as partner will expect 15-17 and 6 spade cards with a semi solid suit. 6 controls is only slightly rich. Can't count on 5 losers yet. I recall we play 3N hoere as solid spades usually 7 cards long. 2N is either 18-19 balanced or Mekstroth Extension (Articifial 18+ GF). Do not like 2N with this hand. (Usually when I bid 3C with this hand partner has his A and out 1NT flyer, while when I bid 3♠ partner has a ♠void for me with 2 red queen/jacks and 3 small clubs..... :blink: ) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted July 31, 2012 Report Share Posted July 31, 2012 3S of course. Even the thought of 2C makes me roll around the floor with laughter - bidding a fake suit when you have 6 good S. Unbelievable! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zelandakh Posted July 31, 2012 Report Share Posted July 31, 2012 3♠ playing Standard. 2♥ followed by 2NT playing transfer rebids. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhm Posted July 31, 2012 Report Share Posted July 31, 2012 3NT No second choice at matchpoints, but of course partner may correct.As usual I do not care what the field does. Rainer Herrmann Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted July 31, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 31, 2012 hand was x,T8x,KJ9x,Axxxx KQT9xx,Ax,Ax,KJx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted July 31, 2012 Report Share Posted July 31, 2012 Hi, either 3S or 4S, depending on mood, playing MP - 3S is clearly better than 4S. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lalldonn Posted July 31, 2012 Report Share Posted July 31, 2012 3S of course. Even the thought of 2C makes me roll around the floor with laughter - bidding a fake suit when you have 6 good S. Unbelievable!I have to agree! If I can't bid 3♠ with 6223, 17, and good spades, then bridge is becoming too hard for me. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted July 31, 2012 Report Share Posted July 31, 2012 hand was x,T8x,KJ9x,Axxxx KQT9xx,Ax,Ax,KJxO.K. Still doesn't change opener's rebid. Responder does whatever he chooses afterward, which wasn't part of the question in this thread ---reassured in the aftermath that opener is or is not a mastermind Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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