the_dude Posted July 30, 2012 Report Share Posted July 30, 2012 Assuming strict 2/1 with no comp, off in comp... 1H 1S 2C P2H P ? Can responder pass? Our meta-rule states the following is not forcing after 2/1 in competition: either side rebids his suit, raises, or bids 2NT. However, I can see why this might be an exception. What do you think? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulg Posted July 30, 2012 Report Share Posted July 30, 2012 Non-forcing. Although my standards for an opener and two clubs in competition are lower than many. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_clown Posted July 30, 2012 Report Share Posted July 30, 2012 Was 2♣ forcing or just a free bid? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manudude03 Posted July 30, 2012 Report Share Posted July 30, 2012 Sorry, didn't see the overcall when I voted, it's NF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbaptistec Posted July 30, 2012 Report Share Posted July 30, 2012 Was 2♣ forcing or just a free bid?This. I play 2♣ after an overcall differently with my partners, but whatever its meaning opener may rebid 2♥ with 16 or even 17pts and 6+♥. You bid accordingly. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted July 30, 2012 Report Share Posted July 30, 2012 This isn't a 2/1 sequence per se. We've had many discussions about SAYC and the intelligent SAYC pairs claim its perfectly playable for the 2♣ bidder to promise one more call. Sequences like this are rapidly becoming artificial btw. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted July 30, 2012 Report Share Posted July 30, 2012 When you agreed that the auction could be dropped if "either side rebids his suit", what auction did you have in mind if not this one? Anyway, I think it's normal to play this as non-forcing. The idea of playing 2/1 responses in competition as not game-forcing is so that you can make them on weaker hands. If you play 2♣ as forcing to 2NT, or as promising a rebid, you're only shaving a point or two off the lower limit, so you might as well be playing it as game-forcing. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_dude Posted July 31, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 31, 2012 Thanks all for the responses. When you agreed that the auction could be dropped if "either side rebids his suit", what auction did you have in mind if not this one? Our rule is primarily to keep responder from having to bid over a raise of his minor or 2NT ... both iof which come up often. However you make a good point - this should be a top consideration. Anyway, I think it's normal to play this as non-forcing. The idea of playing 2/1 responses in competition as not game-forcing is so that you can make them on weaker hands. If you play 2♣ as forcing to 2NT, or as promising a rebid, you're only shaving a point or two off the lower limit, so you might as well be playing it as game-forcing. Another very good point ... good reason to keep it NF. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karlson Posted July 31, 2012 Report Share Posted July 31, 2012 Opinions from some fine players (some via Jlall) in this thread http://www.bridgebase.com/forums/topic/35397-is-this-a-wtp 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted July 31, 2012 Report Share Posted July 31, 2012 Opinions from some fine players (some via Jlall) in this thread http://www.bridgebase.com/forums/topic/35397-is-this-a-wtp I miss those days. Thx for the link Chub. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted August 1, 2012 Report Share Posted August 1, 2012 I am surprised so many in my poll in the other thread said NF. Re-learn something every day...or something? I am not surprised that especially English people play it as NF. I still play this as forcing (I think you are forced to 3 of the lowest suit bid so far, or 2N). Given OPs meta agreements, seems like he plays it as NF without prior discussion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quantumcat Posted August 2, 2012 Report Share Posted August 2, 2012 You can always bid the opponent's suit with a strong hand. So if the 2♣ bidder doesn't think there is game opposite the limited 2♥ (whatever the limit actually is) then he should be allowed to pass. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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