wyman Posted July 23, 2012 Report Share Posted July 23, 2012 Teams w/r x / xxx / Qxx / AJ10xxx 1C (1S) ? 2C is competitive in your methods, 3+ C preemptive, jumps are fit. Also interested in what you'd do at r/w if it makes a difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kuhchung Posted July 23, 2012 Report Share Posted July 23, 2012 limit raise for me but I dunno if that's insane 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted July 23, 2012 Report Share Posted July 23, 2012 Limit raise. We find 3N, teammies find 4♠. Good job us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted July 23, 2012 Report Share Posted July 23, 2012 Teams w/r x / xxx / Qxx / AJ10xxx 1C (1S) ? 2C is competitive in your methods, 3+ C preemptive, jumps are fit. So you have to use 2S as non-descript LR+? We would have to choose with our methods between 2S L+ denying spade stop and 3S Spl....probably going for 3S with our sixth club Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wyman Posted July 23, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 23, 2012 So you have to use 2S as non-descript LR+? We would have to choose with our methods between 2S L+ denying spade stop and 3S Spl....probably going for 3S with our sixth club Indeed, 2S is LR+, 3S is splinter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted July 23, 2012 Report Share Posted July 23, 2012 Indeed, 2S is LR+, 3S is splinter.Now, make it a "mixed" splinter on this auction...using 2S with the stronger hands, and we can let the ball be in opener's court. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted July 23, 2012 Report Share Posted July 23, 2012 3S is splinter. Not a transfer to 3N? :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMoe Posted July 25, 2012 Report Share Posted July 25, 2012 No assurances my ♦Q is working. I hate Qxx in suits partner has not bid. Rating this as 8.5-9 losers I will bid 3♣ and see what develops. I will bid one more time if opponents compete. If partner is on 18-19 Balanced I expecct him/her to bid 3N. If 11-14 balanced we're probably well placed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wyman Posted July 26, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 26, 2012 I thought this was difficult at the table. I lamented that the colors were w/r (we have mixed raises available vulnerable) and selected 5C. We played undoubled for -100, and our teammates bid their icy cold spade game for win 11. But even after this, I wasn't thrilled with my choice (nor my options). Thanks for weighing in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted July 26, 2012 Report Share Posted July 26, 2012 5♣ is one of those wacky calls that might work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wyman Posted July 26, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 26, 2012 5♣ is one of those wacky calls that might work. Is it? I figured partner was pretty polarized between a wk NT and a 1.5NT. In the former case, 5♣ seems like it's probably ok. In the latter, indeed, we might miss 3N (or 6C). But we might miss 3N anyway if I bid a preemptive 3C, as some recommended, and it's also quite likely we're making 5C in this case (I think). 2C might work better, I admit, but we pay the price when LHO can get a cheap spade raise, fit-jump, or other lead-director in. As for the splinter, I think I'm ill-placed to judge, then, over (4S) X. Isn't pard expecting something defensive? And if we sell (are we ever selling?), I've telegraphed the spade-holding. As for the limit-raise, I felt again like we'd be guessing over a dbl of 4S. ' Of course, partner might be left guessing over 5C. Or we go + in 3N and 4S but - in 5C. I really wasn't sure. 5C didn't strike me as 'wacky,' though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted July 26, 2012 Report Share Posted July 26, 2012 If you judge partner to have a weak NT, or a heavy weak NT, then 5♣ makes even less sense, since partner rates to have some defense. If partner has some clubs, you'll certainly hear more after your club raise, right? I do agree a splinter is an overstatement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MickyB Posted July 26, 2012 Report Share Posted July 26, 2012 When you say that 3♣ is preemptive, does that mean it is to play opposite an 18-19 NT? That's fine, but obviously quite infrequent. I suggest 3♣ is to play opposite a 12-14 NT but enough for game opposite an 18-19 NT, regardless of vul. Unbalanced hands can sort themselves out, they have a big fit hence some degree of safety. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wyman Posted July 27, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 27, 2012 If you judge partner to have a weak NT, or a heavy weak NT, then 5♣ makes even less sense, since partner rates to have some defense. If partner has some clubs, you'll certainly hear more after your club raise, right? I do agree a splinter is an overstatement. Not sure what you mean. I just meant that I'd expect that most of the probability mass is on partner having either a 11-14 NT or a 18-19 NT. And I think the distribution is heavily skewed toward his having the 11-14. When you say that 3♣ is preemptive, does that mean it is to play opposite an 18-19 NT? That's fine, but obviously quite infrequent. I suggest 3♣ is to play opposite a 12-14 NT but enough for game opposite an 18-19 NT, regardless of vul. Unbalanced hands can sort themselves out, they have a big fit hence some degree of safety. Yeah, with this partner, at these colors, 3C would be less than constructive. This is perhaps not ideal, but it was what I was working with. So we're on the same page, you're suggesting to pass with, say: x / xx / Qxxx / Jxxxx? Sounds like 3C is mixed then. What does a 2C bid look like? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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