Hanoi5 Posted July 22, 2012 Report Share Posted July 22, 2012 The usual Multi version in my country shows either a weak-2 in a Major or a balanced 22-23/26-27 hand. The responses are well defined and the most usual one is 2♥ which asks opener to pass if hearts are the weak suit or to correct to spades or NT according to his/her hand. I have seen people using the 2♠ response in mainly the same way; some people say 2♠ shows an 'invitational' hand with hearts, which roughly means that if opener holds the hearts s/he should get to 4. Some people just say that 2♠ is just another pass/correct bid that can be used when opener 'knows' partner holds spades and not hearts (usually with hearts, for if opener has to show the red Major s/he needs to get to 3). I have even seen people bid 2♠ with 1-2 in the Majors and a poor hand. I think 2♠ should be bid with (and I usually bid it with) 5 hearts. Anyway, today someone received the following collection: ♠T9x♥J8xxxx♦xx♣xx Now, would you bid 2♥ or 2♠ with it? If partner opened in fourth seat, would you bid 2♥ or 2♠? Finally, at my table the bidding went: Pa-Pa-Pa-2♦Pa-2♠-Pa-2NT*Pa-4♦**-Pa-4NT***Pa-5♦-Pa-5♥Pa-Pa-Pa *22-23 balanced**Texas transfer***Key Card This contract went down one. Of course we're missing the strong hand but, who would you blame? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vampyr Posted July 22, 2012 Report Share Posted July 22, 2012 What was 4♦ -- a Texas transfer? What was 4NT -- a balanced super-accept? It's tough to know whom to blame if we don't know the methods. And it could be the methods that are at fault; does 2NT show 22-23 or could it be the stronger hand as well? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted July 22, 2012 Report Share Posted July 22, 2012 The 2♠ response shows a desire to go to at least 3♥ if partner has a weak hand in hearts. If responder is 1-2 or 2-1 in the majors, he has no desire to go beyond two of openers major, so he has to bid 2♥ with both of them. As for the 5♥ hand. Shoot opener. Here is the issue. 2♠ was correct bid. You are willing to go high in hearts with a fit, but you actually know partner has the big balanced hand when it goes pass pass pass to him (otherwise where it the points). So bidding 2♠ now also happily means he can declarer the hand. When he bids 2NT over your 2♠, i assume you play both jacoby and texas. So 4♦ is not inviting him to do ANYTHING OTHER THAN BID 4♥. If you wanted to invite him to consider going beyond 4♥, you would have bid 3♦, then raised 3♥ to 4♥. There is no way that a person who has descibed his hand as 22-23 hcp can possibly have anything in his opening bid to make it right for him to over-ride the normal texas transfer bid. 4NT (WHAT EVER IT IS) is a total lack of partnership discipline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nigel_k Posted July 22, 2012 Report Share Posted July 22, 2012 I would like to upvote inquiry's post but the buttons are not there. They are on the other posts, just not Ben's one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wank Posted July 22, 2012 Report Share Posted July 22, 2012 i'm guessing opener had never seen so many points before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmnka447 Posted July 22, 2012 Report Share Posted July 22, 2012 Opener is probably looking at ♥ AKQx and thinks responder won't make a move toward slam lacking the honors.Even so, opener should let responder control the hand. There's no way for opener to know just what responder holds, so the 4 NT bid is insane. I think inquiry's response makes perfect sense. I agree that any move by the big hand over 4 ♦ other than 4 ♥ is a gross breach of partnership trust. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ahydra Posted July 22, 2012 Report Share Posted July 22, 2012 As for the 5♥ hand. Shoot opener. Here is the issue. 2♠ was correct bid. You are willing to go high in hearts with a fit, but you actually know partner has the big balanced hand when it goes pass pass pass to him (otherwise where it the points). So bidding 2♠ now also happily means he can declarer the hand. When he bids 2NT over your 2♠, i assume you play both jacoby and texas. So 4♦ is not inviting him to do ANYTHING OTHER THAN BID 4♥. If you wanted to invite him to consider going beyond 4♥, you would have bid 3♦, then raised 3♥ to 4♥. There is no way that a person who has descibed his hand as 22-23 hcp can possibly have anything in his opening bid to make it right for him to over-ride the normal texas transfer bid. 4NT (WHAT EVER IT IS) is a total lack of partnership discipline. Agree 100% with this. And I like how, to really emphasise the point, inquiry has even capitalised the "HE" between square brackets (to make a ♥ symbol) in "ANYTHING OTHER THAN BID 4♥", where all his other suit symbols are lower-case :) ahydra 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_clown Posted July 23, 2012 Report Share Posted July 23, 2012 2♠ is clear, it is obvious that partner has a strong no trump and I dont see any reason why I should declare myself. Playing texas 4♦ followed by 4♥ is a clear signoff (3♦-4♥ is a mild slam try). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mycroft Posted July 23, 2012 Report Share Posted July 23, 2012 Note, I am not a Multi player... 2♠ is a wimpy bid. 3♠ is my call on this hand, unless your multi weak-2s can be crappy 5-carders. Somebody has a 22-point hand, and if it's my LHO, 2♠ is going to get them to bid 2NT and they'll actually find which game they want. If it's partner, we'll have a nice texas auction to 4♥. If it's my RHO, then it won't be a 22-count; it'll be whatever is the "pass-and-double" hand, and 2♠ isn't going to be enough, especially as LHO's got something, too. Having said that, I can do nothing but echo all the cheers for inquiry. 2♦-3♠; 3NT-4♦; 4♥ - wait, 4NT? what's that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keylime Posted July 23, 2012 Report Share Posted July 23, 2012 I'd hand inquiry the firearm, in the form of a paintball gun loaded with ammo filled with stinkbomb smelling paint, to aim at the opener. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted July 23, 2012 Report Share Posted July 23, 2012 Note, I am not a Multi player... 2♠ is a wimpy bid. 3♠ is my call on this hand, unless your multi weak-2s can be crappy 5-carders. Somebody has a 22-point hand, After 3 passes to your partner in 4th seat, which opponent do you think passed with a 22 point hand? http://www.bridgebase.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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