2nd-seat R/R pre-empt decision

[bd71]

[hv=pc=n&e=s4hkjtdkt98432c73&d=n&v=b&b=13&a=p]133|200[/hv]

 

Teams.

 

Your call please, and your level of certainty in your answer.

[ggwhiz]

3♦. I don't always look both ways before crossing the street and don't sleep with a night light.

[aguahombre]

I am confident more often than I am right.

[wank]

i don't have a weak 2 available?

[aguahombre]

i don't have a weak 2 available?

Be thankful if you don't, although it might be fun to show the wrong diamond count in addition to the wrong honor disbursement.

[wank]

Be thankful if you don't, although it might be fun to show the wrong diamond count in addition to the wrong honor disbursement.

 

lol 'wrong diamond count'. do you actually play bridge or just sit at the table reciting your favourite cliches? that's all i ever see you do on here. perhaps you should change your username to bols bridge tip.

[aguahombre]

lol 'wrong diamond count'. do you actually play bridge or just sit at the table reciting your favourite cliches? that's all i ever see you do on here. perhaps you should change your username to bols bridge tip.

Keep yours.

[jbaptistec]

I pass : the preempt is likely to put more pressure on partner than on the opponents.

Would be a different story in 1st or 3rd seat.

[Cyberyeti]

Be thankful if you don't, although it might be fun to show the wrong diamond count in addition to the wrong honor disbursement.

Looks like a pretty normal 2♦ in this position/vul to me playing standardish methods, yes it may not be ideal, but it's what I was dealt.

[MrAce]

I play weak 2 ♦ but i open this 3♦

 

Look at my spots, if pd tables zero tricks and zero diamond for me, i still can take 5 tricks and u guys think that doesnt worth 3♦ ?? They are vuln too fgs !!

[Cyberyeti]

I play weak 2 ♦ but i open this 3♦

 

Look at my spots, if pd tables zero tricks and zero diamond for me, i still can take 5 tricks and u guys think that doesnt worth 3♦ ?? They are vuln too fgs !!

The problem is that my partner usually tables KQJx, xxx, x, KJxxx and I guess the clubs wrong and dial 400 v nothing.

[the hog]

This looks like a 2D bid to me as well. Lacking that bid I pass.

[Phil]

3♦. 2♦ is a distortion with this much playing strength.

[bd71]

To those bidding 3D, do you not think you could easily be pre-empting your side out of 4H? Or do you just think that risk is outweighed by other things that can go well?

[MrAce]

To those bidding 3D, do you not think you could easily be pre-empting your side out of 4H? Or do you just think that risk is outweighed by other things that can go well?

 

 

If you are calling a very good description of our hand a "preempt to pd" then i agree with you.

[Cyberyeti]

To those bidding 3D, do you not think you could easily be pre-empting your side out of 4H? Or do you just think that risk is outweighed by other things that can go well?

More of a problem is that pd with Ax is likely to bid 3N expecting the diamonds to run, if they don't you can be dialling a serious number. The percentage normally quoted as required for a vul game is for one that's going one off, if I held xxxxx, Ax, Ax, Axxx I'd bid 3N like a shot, how many tricks do you expect me to make if the diamonds don't behave ?

[mycroft]

My style is "3m in 1 or 2 welcomes conversion to 3NT." I'm not bidding 3♦ - I welcome a conversion to 4♥, but not to 3NT. I might bid 2, I might pass (second seat only); don't know.

 

Other styles would be very comfortable bidding 3 (or 2, if I'm playing EHAA); it's a downside of the basic decision. There's always downsides.

[wyman]

More of a problem is that pd with Ax is likely to bid 3N expecting the diamonds to run, if they don't you can be dialling a serious number. The percentage normally quoted as required for a vul game is for one that's going one off, if I held xxxxx, Ax, Ax, Axxx I'd bid 3N like a shot, how many tricks do you expect me to make if the diamonds don't behave ?

 

I think 3N is a pretty good game with this opposite that. Especially so, since opps' longest suit is hearts.

 

You're making 100% of the time you have Hx-Hx in diamonds (4 combos) + 2 combos of Hxx-H + 1 combo of HH-xx. We're near 50% already, and we haven't taken into account any of the doubleshots you have: e.g., they lead hearts and continue clubs or hearts later, or the spades block.

[gszes]

3d seems to stand out on this hand it is poor in defense

and is worth around 6 tricks in dia (just right even vul)

 

while it is possible we will bury a heart game there are

2 problems asociated with biddng said game.

 

 

1. if all we have is a heart game the odds are very strong

the opps have a great game or sac in one or both black

suits.

 

2.A go slow approach 2d bid gives the opps a ton more leeway

to bid with a lot less risk.

 

If p does not have sufficient values to bid over 3d i will be more than

happy i bid 3d vs 2d because the opps have to take a much bigger

risk to bid.

 

even if we imagine the bidding going say (noint) 2d 2s 3d 3h are we

100% sure we want to raise to 4h? I hate burying a potential major

fit more than most but it is diffcult to envision how (from a tactical

viewpoint) how we can find a barely makeable heart game and not

give the opps too much room to find theirs.

[Cyberyeti]

I think 3N is a pretty good game with this opposite that. Especially so, since opps' longest suit is hearts.

 

You're making 100% of the time you have Hx-Hx in diamonds (4 combos) + 2 combos of Hxx-H + 1 combo of HH-xx. We're near 50% already, and we haven't taken into account any of the doubleshots you have: e.g., they lead hearts and continue clubs or hearts later, or the spades block.

Well any time they don't just cash 5 spades first, and if they lead a club and you finesse the diamond when an honour drops, just how many are you going down if it loses ? Maybe I should have made the hand 5323 rather than 5224.

[wyman]

Well any time they don't just cash 5 spades first, and if they lead a club and you finesse the diamond when an honour drops, just how many are you going down if it loses ? Maybe I should have made the hand 5323 rather than 5224.

 

That's fine, and I see your point, but there are a lot of hands that 4th chair can hold.

 

AKQx / KQx / Kxxx / xx

 

If partner holds

 

xxx / Axx / AQxxx / xx

 

she's going to bid 3N (confidently) and they can cash 5 (or more!) clubs off the top. Does this mean you shouldn't open 1N?

[Cyberyeti]

That's fine, and I see your point, but there are a lot of hands that 4th chair can hold.

 

AKQx / KQx / Kxxx / xx

 

If partner holds

 

xxx / Axx / AQxxx / xx

 

she's going to bid 3N (confidently) and they can cash 5 (or more!) clubs off the top. Does this mean you shouldn't open 1N?

No you have a book 1N. Here I don't feel I have a book 3♦ second vulnerable, I'd open it in first seat without thinking about it but second seat partner will expect a better suit with less outside. If I had ♦QJx opposite, no way would I expect no chance of the diamonds running, and possibly 2 outside tricks in defence. If I have xxx, xx, QJxx, AKxx I'm certainly not expecting 4M by the opps to go off very often, and could sac, in fact it's doomed if we find the club ruff or have a second heart trick and if it's making we're likely dialling 500 so very small gain.