rduran1216 Posted July 15, 2012 Report Share Posted July 15, 2012 lol at the troll job from whoever this is thats creating 500 names. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YorkieShe Posted July 15, 2012 Report Share Posted July 15, 2012 BBOSkill was a really useful system and I am sorry to see it has vanished. It is something BBO should be introducing themselves as self rating means nothing! It was most helpful to know the true grading of partners and opponents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diana_eva Posted July 15, 2012 Report Share Posted July 15, 2012 lol at the troll job from whoever this is thats creating 500 names. They are not trolling. These are people who were using the bboskill.com site regularly and now post here to show they liked that site and want it back. I think it's a good thing they found the forums, even in this tortuous way, because now they have access to some better advice and references to guide them in their effort to improve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rduran1216 Posted July 15, 2012 Report Share Posted July 15, 2012 They are not trolling. These are people who were using the bboskill.com site regularly and now post here to show they liked that site and want it back. I think it's a good thing they found the forums, even in this tortuous way, because now they have access to some better advice and references to guide them in their effort to improve. if you really think these are different people who are creating 20 user names to say the same thing, well thats....ok. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diana_eva Posted July 15, 2012 Report Share Posted July 15, 2012 (edited) if you really think these are different people who are creating 20 user names to say the same thing, well thats....ok. If you would bother to check before talking you'd see that, even though they are not forum regulars, they are legit bbo members. They have not created names just to spam the forums. The reason they all come to post all of a sudden is that the bboskill site links to BBO Forums and prompts people to post here to show their support. Log on web version, type a username in the "Find member" box on the right and you'll see when they created the username and how many logins they have. YorkieShe 5000+ logins, username created in 2005vddvdd 500+ logins, created in 2010trivela 1000+ logins, created in 2010Jay Silver 400+ logins, created in 2011schlaks 2000+ logins, created in 2009dtol 1000+ logins, created in 2009absalon2 5000+ logins, created in 2005ipo123 2000+ logins, created in 2006jamegumb 1000+ logins, created in 2008baggottm 1000+ logins, created in 2005davepen 2000+ logins, created in 2005phall230 300+ logins, created in 2009verena 6 3000+ logins, created in 2010friedeggs 4000+ logins, created in 2007init2winit 45 logins, created in 2010sln1941 1000+ logins, created in 201012three 400+ logins, created in 2008isityou 300+ logins, created in 2010TDBluff 5000+ logins, created in 2005flipm 200+ logins, created in april 2012 Edited July 15, 2012 by diana_eva Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gigime Posted July 16, 2012 Report Share Posted July 16, 2012 There's no harm in following your progress with bboskill and knowing the skill level of your partner too. Please bring it back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zelandakh Posted July 16, 2012 Report Share Posted July 16, 2012 Please bring it back.I think it is probably important to point out at this stage that BBO has nothing whatsoever to do with "BBO Skill" going away. This was a private website and they made the decision to both open the site and close it knowing full well the position of BBO towards such a service. In truth BBO has been more than generous in this matter, both allowing the site to use the BBO brand, something that now has considerable value in itself, as well as being a drain on BBO bandwidth and thus adding additional costs. BBO would have been well within its rights to block BBO Skill and/or to threaten legal action. It is quite clear, and has been for many years, that BBO has no desire for a calculated rating system for players. Other sites, which have implemented such systems, are generally much less successful than BBO and all of these rating systems have had difficulties which have had negative impacts on the sites as a whole. Again, BBO Skill here is running directly contrary to a management decision taken by BBO. It is a bit like a bank making a strategic decision not to offer mortgage products below 3% and then having a third party offering 2.5% in their name. The simple truth here is that a proper business model for BBO Skill would be to negotiate a payment with BBO for the use of their brand (if BBO were even willing) and then to further negotiate access to the BBO hand record database, again for a fee. This would bypass the bandwidth costs for both parties. In return, BBO Skill would be able to calculate more accurate player ratings offline at low cost. The payments to BBO could then be covered by advertising, assuming that enough BBO players visited the site. Naturally I have no idea if this business model would be financially viable, nor even whether BBO would be amenable to the idea. Nonetheless it is the sort of model that a "company" like BBO Skill should be looking for if they wish to provide services such as this in the future. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moni296 Posted July 16, 2012 Report Share Posted July 16, 2012 BBO skill should continue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cutcorner Posted July 17, 2012 Report Share Posted July 17, 2012 BBO is the great bridge site. But there are many players not worth their rating. If BBO are not going to support BBOSKILL then they should do it themselves. Can BBO give an explanation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kartman_MF Posted July 17, 2012 Report Share Posted July 17, 2012 I agree. I agree too Kartman_MF, good job guys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billw55 Posted July 17, 2012 Report Share Posted July 17, 2012 Setting aside the issue of whether or not multiple usernames have been created to spam this pro-bboskill message. The question remains: why should these requests be directed on the BBO forums? Who exactly is being asked to "bring back" bboskill? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted July 17, 2012 Report Share Posted July 17, 2012 If BBO are not going to support BBOSKILL then they should do it themselves. Can BBO give an explanation?Not surprisingly, they already have explained it: http://www.bridgebase.com/help/3/topics/faqs/text/intro.html#ratings As for the suggestion that BBO "should" do something: BBO is a free service, and they can do whatever they please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted July 17, 2012 Report Share Posted July 17, 2012 The question remains: why should these requests be directed on the BBO forums? Who exactly is being asked to "bring back" bboskill?Because the people who run bboskill thought that a good way to try to influence BBO was to get people to post pointless messages in this forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quiddity Posted July 17, 2012 Report Share Posted July 17, 2012 Because the people who run bboskill thought that a good way to try to influence BBO was to get people to post pointless messages in this forum. Seems reasonable to me. If nothing else it's an easy way to create a public petition, show interest/support for the idea, and make it visible to an external community of BBO users. Can you suggest a better way? Obviously email hasn't worked, BBO is just ignoring them and making claims like "Fred gets a lot of e-mail messages on this subject and they are close to evenly divided between those who want a rating system and those who ask that one never be implemented." (lol) I hope someone at BBO is taking note that a crappy site with a crappy algorithm (bboskill) can generate this much interest. People want some kind of rating system. Personally I think it would be fairly trivial to use GIB to create a self-rater. I suspect it would be fairly trivial to keep historical data and allow users to track their progress. I suspect it would also be fairly trivial to use ratings (perhaps private) to vastly improve the experience for the number of users who come to BBO for a random few hands of bridge. The current "Find me a game" feature is useless and it would be SO easy to make it better. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diana_eva Posted July 18, 2012 Report Share Posted July 18, 2012 Seems reasonable to me. If nothing else it's an easy way to create a public petition, show interest/support for the idea, and make it visible to an external community of BBO users. Can you suggest a better way? Obviously email hasn't worked, BBO is just ignoring them and making claims like "Fred gets a lot of e-mail messages on this subject and they are close to evenly divided between those who want a rating system and those who ask that one never be implemented." (lol) I hope someone at BBO is taking note that a crappy site with a crappy algorithm (bboskill) can generate this much interest. People want some kind of rating system. Personally I think it would be fairly trivial to use GIB to create a self-rater. I suspect it would be fairly trivial to keep historical data and allow users to track their progress. I suspect it would also be fairly trivial to use ratings (perhaps private) to vastly improve the experience for the number of users who come to BBO for a random few hands of bridge. The current "Find me a game" feature is useless and it would be SO easy to make it better. A better way would have been for the site owner himself to open a thread in the Forums, explain his point of view and what exactly he wants from BBO - then link that one thread he created to his site and ask people to support him instead of giving them a generic link to forums and tell them "post here to support my site". That would have avoided some of the attacks against first-time posters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antrax Posted July 18, 2012 Report Share Posted July 18, 2012 I hope someone at BBO is taking note that a crappy site with a crappy algorithm (bboskill) can generate this much interest. People want some kind of rating system. Personally I think it would be fairly trivial to use GIB to create a self-rater. I suspect it would be fairly trivial to keep historical data and allow users to track their progress. I suspect it would also be fairly trivial to use ratings (perhaps private) to vastly improve the experience for the number of users who come to BBO for a random few hands of bridge. The current "Find me a game" feature is useless and it would be SO easy to make it better.I think what we're mostly seeing is that people want an "objective" measure to tell them they're experts. I didn't want to expand on it, but BBOSkill tended to greatly inflate ratings, due to shortcomings explained in the many threads discussing how to rate the skill level of BBO users. I suspect if BBOSkill showed self-professed experts what their real skill level is, it would've been a lot less popular. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted July 18, 2012 Report Share Posted July 18, 2012 Seems reasonable to me. If nothing else it's an easy way to create a public petition, show interest/support for the idea, and make it visible to an external community of BBO users. Can you suggest a better way? Obviously email hasn't worked, BBO is just ignoring them and making claims like "Fred gets a lot of e-mail messages on this subject and they are close to evenly divided between those who want a rating system and those who ask that one never be implemented." (lol) I hope someone at BBO is taking note that a crappy site with a crappy algorithm (bboskill) can generate this much interest. People want some kind of rating system. Personally I think it would be fairly trivial to use GIB to create a self-rater. I suspect it would be fairly trivial to keep historical data and allow users to track their progress. I suspect it would also be fairly trivial to use ratings (perhaps private) to vastly improve the experience for the number of users who come to BBO for a random few hands of bridge. The current "Find me a game" feature is useless and it would be SO easy to make it better.Why should BBO take any notice of this? None of these messages address BBO's repeatedly stated reasons for not having a rating system, which are: "Our main priority continues to be to make sure that the mostly pleasant social atmosphere on BBO is not destroyed. Fred believes strongly that any kind of rating system would have negative consequences in terms of the friendliness of our site. In particular, using a rating system for these purposes will lead to rampant "social problems" and cheating on our site. This is not just a guess — Fred has seen this happen on every other bridge site that has tried to implement some kind of rating system." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billw55 Posted July 18, 2012 Report Share Posted July 18, 2012 Because the people who run bboskill thought that a good way to try to influence BBO was to get people to post pointless messages in this forum.Er .. ok. So am I to understand that the bboskill service/website has gone down, and that the operators/users are asking for "support" from BBO? What kind of support? In particular, did bboskill go down for lack of finances, and they are now asking BBO for financial support? If so, that is so deeply LOL that I just don't know what to say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted July 18, 2012 Report Share Posted July 18, 2012 What kind of support?It appears that they want to receive data directly from BBO, as an alternative to hacking the "myhands" page. But you can read it for yourself: http://bboskill.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted July 18, 2012 Report Share Posted July 18, 2012 Stop spamming us. We are not stupid, when multiple posters with 1 total post come to post about this on different subforums, we know it is the same person (who created bboskill). ***** off. Amazing change of view. Last year when your 'friends' at bridgetopics were spamming you were less than sympathetic with those that complained. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quiddity Posted July 18, 2012 Report Share Posted July 18, 2012 Why should BBO take any notice of this? None of these messages address BBO's repeatedly stated reasons for not having a rating system, which are: "Our main priority continues to be to make sure that the mostly pleasant social atmosphere on BBO is not destroyed. Fred believes strongly that any kind of rating system would have negative consequences in terms of the friendliness of our site. In particular, using a rating system for these purposes will lead to rampant "social problems" and cheating on our site. This is not just a guess — Fred has seen this happen on every other bridge site that has tried to implement some kind of rating system." BBO should take notice because a random site is attracting a significant number of users by providing a service that BBO could be providing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr1303 Posted July 18, 2012 Report Share Posted July 18, 2012 BBO should not take notice because a random site is attracting a significant number of users by providing a service that BBO have declared that they are not going to provide for good reason. FYP 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjbrr Posted July 18, 2012 Report Share Posted July 18, 2012 Seems reasonable to me. If nothing else it's an easy way to create a public petition, show interest/support for the idea, and make it visible to an external community of BBO users. Can you suggest a better way? Obviously email hasn't worked, BBO is just ignoring them and making claims like "Fred gets a lot of e-mail messages on this subject and they are close to evenly divided between those who want a rating system and those who ask that one never be implemented." (lol) I hope someone at BBO is taking note that a crappy site with a crappy algorithm (bboskill) can generate this much interest. People want some kind of rating system. Personally I think it would be fairly trivial to use GIB to create a self-rater. I suspect it would be fairly trivial to keep historical data and allow users to track their progress. I suspect it would also be fairly trivial to use ratings (perhaps private) to vastly improve the experience for the number of users who come to BBO for a random few hands of bridge. The current "Find me a game" feature is useless and it would be SO easy to make it better. Just because a lot of people want something does not make it right or good. In this case I think a lot of people want something that would have a very, very negative impact on BBO as a whole. And anyway it just baffles me that people support such a parasitic site as bboskill. Pretty sick. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quiddity Posted July 18, 2012 Report Share Posted July 18, 2012 Just because a lot of people want something does not make it right or good. In this case I think a lot of people want something that would have a very, very negative impact on BBO as a whole. And anyway it just baffles me that people support such a parasitic site as bboskill. Pretty sick. I agree with that, bboskill is a horrible site and BBO could put it out of business by giving people better tools to evaluate their performance. I really fail to see how a private performance rating can have a very very negative impact on the site. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billw55 Posted July 18, 2012 Report Share Posted July 18, 2012 I agree with that, bboskill is a horrible site and BBO could put it out of business by giving people better tools to evaluate their performance. I really fail to see how a private performance rating can have a very very negative impact on the site.Because many users will start playing for the sole purpose of raising their rating. There are other sites with ratings. BBO is the alternative with no ratings. I like having alternatives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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