bboskill

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then why dont you take your game to okbridge if you dont like bbo

 

That is very cheap, because you ignore all what I just said, and all that is true. Me moving to OKB won't improve the software of BBO. You value your rating so much, and you don't even realize it means absolutely NOTHING on BBO. Let BBO add a feature to rate a player, they have the means and the data! to do it. Unfortunately they don't want to do it. The most horrific of all is that on a site where at least 10000 players play at the same time, 16 scores are compared. This is equal to comparing the score of 1 pair on a huge live tourney.

 

You want a way to rate yourself and others, let BBO do it.

 

I don't mind to pay 100-200 USD per year to BBO for membership if they take the software from kidlevel to adult: Getting rid of users with multiple logins, penalty for non finished hands, making it impossible to let some idiot click a seat 100-300 times in a few minutes etc. etc.

 

IF I were a kid like you: I could ask you the same question: YOU want a rating system, why don't you move to OKB?

[jamegumb]

Yes, it has all of the flaws of every other bridge rating system plus a few of its own.

 

This makes it incredibly imperfect, and still far better than having no system. (It's at least as good a judge of skill as matchpoints.)

[init2winit]

I agree wholeheartedly that BBOSkill.com should be supported by BBO. This has been a wonderful resource for me, not only in checking out other players, but in evaluating my own progress as a player. Please consider a way to support this resource for us at BBO, especially since there is nothing I know of within the BBO site that offers a similar benefit. Thanks.

[sln1941]

www.bboskill had been started recently and they were giving the skill level of bbousers based on the results achieved by the user in bbo tourneys. This used to give the points obtained in IMP matches and MP matches, the number of hands played and rating number obtained from these results after duly adjusting for the strength of partner and opposition. This used to give a picture of one's performance

 

When we see the rating points obtained we get not only an idea of our performance as a whole it also motivates us to improve further and obtain the next skill level. I understand about 19000 users were using it.

 

Now the website has come into problem because of some need for technical support from BBO bridge base online for getting the data and the like. The website is unable to give the rating points due to lack of support. Will the BBOBridge base onlie authorities look with sympathy at the contribution made by wwwbboskill.com to the bbo bridge community and treat them as allies than as adversaries and help them to serve the community of bbobridge users

 

Knowing the large heart with which the bbo is functioning as a free website to bridge patrons I am sure their heart will easily accommodate and help bboskill.com and take them as partners in the service of Bridge playing community

[diana_eva]

I agree wholeheartedly that BBOSkill.com should be supported by BBO. This has been a wonderful resource for me, not only in checking out other players, but in evaluating my own progress as a player. Please consider a way to support this resource for us at BBO, especially since there is nothing I know of within the BBO site that offers a similar benefit. Thanks.

 

Go to our home page at www.bridgebase.com and click the Hand Records link on the blue line at the top. This page will open:

 

http://bridgebase.com/myhands/index.php

 

You can type in there a username and see their stats for the past month. It's the same data BBOskill used.

[12three]

Totally support the views of sin1941 with regard the value of a BBOSKILL type facility being adopted by BBO. Based as it is on actual BBO results it would give a relatively accurate and meaningful assessment of ones ability relative to fellow BBO members. In comparison the current "name your own skill level" approach is not much better than a blind guess and, more importantly, misses out on the motivation / improvement element that would come with a BBOSKILL approach.

BBO is great and I believe that refinements such as BBOSKILL can only make it better....keep up the good work

[hrothgar]

There is a very simple solution to his whole problem...

It's called Kickstarter.

 

If folks like bboskill so much, chip together and pay them for the service.

[isityou]

sin1941 and 12three! You summed up the issue very well! There's not much I can add except lend my full support to you.

I have used BBOSkill for quite a while and I enjoyed watching my skill level change.

Most importantly, I found it extremely interesting to watch my friends' skill and indeed

some BBO players who would mark their own skill level on the profile as "Novice" or "Beginner"

but they actually played MUCH better than that.

 

I wish I knew why BBO do not seem to support such a site that is so helpful and fun at the same time.

[Antrax]

Also it debunks players who pretend to be better or worse than they are, and gives a valuable independent way of finding the playing strengths of players

At the time I've checked it on several players whose playing strength I was able to estimate (including myself) and it was very inaccurate. It's a different tool for sure, but I'm not sure it's more accurate than anything else (including just choosing a skill level at random, TBH).

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At the time I've checked it on several players whose playing strength I was able to estimate (including myself) and it was very inaccurate. It's a different tool for sure, but I'm not sure it's more accurate than anything else (including just choosing a skill level at random, TBH).

 

Very inaccurate is a very nice and mild way of saying it. It is just way off. Most of the time it will tell you the opposite of the real strength of the player. This site needs to go down the sewer.

[TDBluff]

The message from bboskill.com did NOT ask for money. It is asking for a chance to present its case to BBO officials. It appears to desire linking to BBO's hand records to make the process faster, thereby using less bandwidth or resources.

 

This rating system was, of course, imperfect. I've never seen one that wasn't. For those of us who try to limit tournaments and club membership to certain skill levels, bboskill was helpful.

 

BBO has certainly partnered with other groups, and many of the players in our club would like to see the site continued with BBO providing data as needed.

[Antrax]

I totally support BBO management talking with you guys. Now can you stop spamming the forum?

This rating system was, of course, imperfect. I've never seen one that wasn't. For those of us who try to limit tournaments and club membership to certain skill levels, bboskill was helpful.

The same can be said about BBORandomSkill.com, the site that returns a consistent random result for a queried username. It's not perfect, but it does help.

[flipm]

Can we hope to have the bboskill site to be working again? who want it?

[isityou]

Go to our home page at www.bridgebase.com and click the Hand Records link on the blue line at the top. This page will open:

 

http://bridgebase.com/myhands/index.php

 

You can type in there a username and see their stats for the past month. It's the same data BBOskill used.

 

Hi diana_eva,

The "myhands" is very useful but it doesn't evaluate your performance, or does it?.

I like the idea that I can watch my own skill level move and also being able to check anyone else's.

[isityou]

There is a very simple solution to his whole problem...

It's called Kickstarter.

 

If folks like bboskill so much, chip together and pay them for the service.

 

Is that really the sticking point and

what makes you suggest money from players would be the solution?

There are different ways of financing such a service but

if that's what BBO are after, so be it.

I think it would be more interesting to hear BBO's views on this issue.

[diana_eva]

Is that really the sticking point and

what makes you suggest money from players would be the solution?

There are different ways of financing such a service but

if that's what BBO are after, so be it.

I think it would be more interesting to hear BBO's views on this issue.

 

You do realize that BBOSkill is not a BBO site, right? BBOSkill is not affiliated with BBO in any way.

 

As for BBO's view - all our officials are in Philly right now. They will give an answer when they get back probably.

[hrothgar]

Is that really the sticking point and what makes you suggest money from players would be the solution?

There are different ways of financing such a service but if that's what BBO are after, so be it.

I think it would be more interesting to hear BBO's views on this issue.

 

I was suggesting paying the BBOSKILL developers so they could put better hardware in place, spend more time trying to deal with these issues, etc...

 

A successful Kickstarter camapign would serve a couple useful purposes

 

1. It would provide the BBOSKILL developers with resources to improve their product

2. It allows third parties to evaluate the success fundraising effort and see whether there is widespread interest in this project

[gnasher]

As I understand it, until now bboskill has used an automated process to extract data from BBO's "myhands" page. By doing this, they used "myhands" for a purpose for which it was obviously not designed. This could be expected to subject it to a greater load than it is designed for, probably slowing it down for legitimate users and/or using resources that BBO would prefer to use elsewhere. Bboskill seem to have done this without first obtaining BBO's permission.

 

They included the name "BBO" in the name of their service, thereby benefiting from BBO's brand and potentially causing confusion about the status of their service.

 

And now they hope that BBO will cooperate with them?

[Statto]

What gnasher said.

 

Whilst rarely intended maliciously, 'hotlinking' can throttle bandwidth of the source website and is an issue: http://essentialkeys...tlinked-images/

[trivela]

BBOskill was a useful service. It would be very nice to see it working again.

[vddvdd]

I agree with most opinions, BBOskill is a usefull service. Helps to evaluate skill level, better to continue to exist somehow.

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The message from bboskill.com did NOT ask for money. It is asking for a chance to present its case to BBO officials. It appears to desire linking to BBO's hand records to make the process faster, thereby using less bandwidth or resources.

 

This rating system was, of course, imperfect. I've never seen one that wasn't. For those of us who try to limit tournaments and club membership to certain skill levels, bboskill was helpful.

 

BBO has certainly partnered with other groups, and many of the players in our club would like to see the site continued with BBO providing data as needed.

 

IMPERFECT? It is hopeless, showing the reverse of the capability of a player.

[mike777]

IMPERFECT? It is hopeless, showing the reverse of the capability of a player.

 

 

yes it would be nice if posters could come up with real evidence of their claims.

 

OTOH if the main point is the site is fun and provides entertainment, that may be enough of a reason.

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I vote for Antrax idea:

 

Let's start BBORandomSkill.com and make it not so random, let's just add 0,5 to 1 level to the lowest levels to make them happy (as they are now with BBOskil). Then ask them for money to help us set it up. They all told us they want it in this forum. This is a goldmine!

 

I totally support BBO management talking with you guys. Now can you stop spamming the forum?

The same can be said about BBORandomSkill.com, the site that returns a consistent random result for a queried username. It's not perfect, but it does help.

[TimG]

The message from BBO has consistently been that they don't want a rating system. The topic has been brought up many times and the response has always been the same. I don't imagine that you're going to get anywhere with a request for BBO to help in creating or maintaining a rating system.