Quartic Posted July 3, 2012 Report Share Posted July 3, 2012 How should we have bid these hands? Hand 1: [hv=pc=n&s=sq742hj642d5c8763&w=s8haq95d98743cqt9&n=sajt953hkt7dajc42&e=sk6h83dkqt62cakj5&d=e&v=b&b=10&a=1dp1h1s2c2s4dp4sp5dppp]399|300[/hv] 5♦ was one off when the ♥ finesse failed. Should we be in 5♦, or can we stop in 4♦? Should East cue 4♠? Hand 2: [hv=pc=n&s=s9hq98653dj3ca953&w=sjt2hakt7dat6c764&n=s65hj4d8542ckqt82&e=sakq8743h2dkq97cj&d=s&v=0&b=11&a=2d(Multi)p2h(Pass%20or%20correct)3sp4sppp]399|300[/hv] We gained some matchpoints for 13 tricks (J♦ lead) when most of the field also missed slam. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexJonson Posted July 3, 2012 Report Share Posted July 3, 2012 1. I'd bid the first same way and off. 2. I'd bid 4S with the East hand rather than 3. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluecalm Posted July 3, 2012 Report Share Posted July 3, 2012 1)dbl would be better than 2!C in natural bidding but I guess you play support doubles there so it wasn't an option; I wouldn't cue bid, 4D was non-forcing (apparently) and there is no way we want to invite a slam with out Kx of spades.The final contract looks fine though, so just tough luck 2)-4S instead of 3S-4H instead of 4S, W has very strong hand and it's clear they have hearts by now so 4H should means the same thing as in: 2H - 3S - pass - 4H Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quartic Posted July 3, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 3, 2012 1)dbl would be better than 2!C in natural bidding but I guess you play support doubles there so it wasn't an option; I wouldn't cue bid, 4D was non-forcing (apparently) and there is no way we want to invite a slam with out Kx of spades.The final contract looks fine though, so just tough luck 2)-4S instead of 3S-4H instead of 4S, W has very strong hand and it's clear they have hearts by now so 4H should means the same thing as in: 2H - 3S - pass - 4H Actually we don't play support doubles, I just didn't think of doubling at the table. What should be the distinction between double and 2♣? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluecalm Posted July 3, 2012 Report Share Posted July 3, 2012 What should be the distinction between double and 2♣? dbl = 16+hcp2C = weakier It allows you establish combined strength of hands easier (8+hcp is GF opposite such double).Italians play this way I think it's superior way (to support dbl) in wide range openings context. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveharty Posted July 3, 2012 Report Share Posted July 3, 2012 Hand 1, I confess I probably would have opened the East hand 1NT. Hard to know how it would have gone from there. Agree that 4S is a better bid than 3S on #2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted July 3, 2012 Report Share Posted July 3, 2012 4♦ on the first one is slam try and forcing, and 4♠ is obvious with a maximum The second one west has to cuebid, he is also worth a double of 2♦ if that includes 13-15 balanced hands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quartic Posted July 3, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 3, 2012 Hand 1, I confess I probably would have opened the East hand 1NT. Hard to know how it would have gone from there. Agree that 4S is a better bid than 3S on #2. 1NT wasn't an option for me - we play 12-14. I could have rebid 1NT, but I'd prefer a better ♠ stop, and probably better ♥ tolerance. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted July 3, 2012 Report Share Posted July 3, 2012 Hand 1: You bid a 50% game, it didn't make, not too worried, if the spades had been QJ10xxx/Axxx, 4♠ could have been on and you'd have gone for a decent -100. Hand 2: To me 3♠ is a strong jump overcall type hand, I'd probably bid 4♠, but 3♠ is not ridiculous. W needs to do a lot more than 4♠. A stiff club, 6 solid spades is all W needs for a slam (given that he's going to have diamond honours too to have enough for the bid) or AKQxxx, xx, Kxxx, A which I would consider fairly minimum for 3♠. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluecalm Posted July 3, 2012 Report Share Posted July 3, 2012 4♦ on the first one is slam try and forcing This is only matter of agreement imo and I think playing it as forcing is worse.You can double or bid 3S with SI, you need a bid with decent, shapeish hand (like 5-5 in reds or something) because 3D could be bid on any kind of junk.That said I prefer 3D on actual hand but make it x AQxxx xxxxx QT and it would be perfect 4D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgr Posted July 3, 2012 Report Share Posted July 3, 2012 2)-4S instead of 3S-4H instead of 4S, W has very strong hand and it's clear they have hearts by now so 4H should means the same thing as in: 2H - 3S - pass - 4HThen he can as well bid 4♦? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted July 3, 2012 Report Share Posted July 3, 2012 4♦ on the first one is slam try and forcing, and 4♠ is obvious with a maximumApparently West thought so, too. I agree that the hand warrants 4D if that is their understanding. I don't believe all partnerships would think 4D is forcing, however. It probably should be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluecalm Posted July 3, 2012 Report Share Posted July 3, 2012 Then he can as well bid 4♦? Yeah I missed we are passed hand so we can't have natural diamonds (at least not diamonds that good to warrant natural 4D here).2D - 3S - p - 4D should probably be natural and forcing though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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