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Sectional A/X Swiss hand 5


  

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  1. 1. Your call

    • pass
      0
    • 3S
      2
    • 3nt
      0
    • 4d
      0
    • 5d
      1
    • other/abstain
      10


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Over the short diamond a 2 call would have been natural, overcall strength. We X and then bid 3 diamonds to show this hand. What should we do now?

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Over the short diamond a 2 call would have been natural, overcall strength. We X and then bid 3 diamonds to show this hand. What should we do now?

 

I don't see why this hand doesn't qualify for "natural, overcall strength" 2D the first time.

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I don't see why this hand doesn't qualify for "natural, overcall strength" 2D the first time.

 

That's one huge overcall... 17 HCPs, 5 losers, nice shape, and what do you know, opponents even bid our singleton (though I guess we didn't know that when we X'd). Your average 2D overcall has 7-8 losers, so we'll end up hiding a good amount of playing strength if we only get to bid once. I guess some might treat it as a max overcall but I'm in the X-then-bid camp.

 

Now the "obvious" bid is 4C (and pray partner doesn't pass with 5m cold - he shouldn't do). 5D is the more practical alternative, but partner hasn't yet promised any diamonds!

 

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Looks like people preferred 4 and/or didn't like to double than bid with this hand. As discussed in the hand 2 thread this ended up a director call for the failure to alert/announce the 1 call until the end of the auction at 2. Partner did tell the director before seeing the dummy or result that he would have X and then bid 3 with the correct information, and the director ruled 3 making 5 for +150 but didn't think 5= was appropriate.
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We X and then bid 3 to show this hand.

 

I so strongly disagree with this bidding in a natural system that I assume it is conventional and therefore will need clarification about exactly what it shows.

  • These exact 13 cards ? Obvious pass, as partner has the captaincy :)
  • A strong hand with ? Then 4 : it best describes the hand.
  • A strong 2-suiter / ? Probably 3.

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I so strongly disagree with this bidding in a natural system that I assume it is conventional and therefore will need clarification about exactly what it shows.

  • These exact 13 cards ? Obvious pass, as partner has the captaincy :)
  • A strong hand with ? Then 4 : it best describes the hand.
  • A strong 2-suiter / ? Probably 3.

 

I was trying to represent partners hand in an auction that could have happened with correct information, but didn't. I mean that we have already chosen to show our hand through X and then 3 (to show a hand too strong to overcall 2 as natural overcall), so you are stuck with that even if you don't like it. Given that, what do you do now. I wasn't the one who actually choose to X and then bid 3 and I'm not sure I like that choice, but I think it is close and don't think it is outrageous. A minimum favorable overcall might be the same shape without the Q and the AJ, so you have a lot of extra strenght; however, obviously AKxxx is not the diamond suit you'd like to have.

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Like just about everyone else, I'm bidding 4 and wondering why 2 wasn't an option.

 

Even though you have 17 HCP, this looks like one of those hands where it's right to "underbid". The problem is with a good but not great 5 card suit doubling and rebidding your suit may get you too high if Pard doesn't have a fit. Sometime this may cost you if the auction dies following the overcall. But more often than not, you'll get a second bite in the auction and have the chance to show your full values then.

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