EarlPurple Posted November 16, 2004 Report Share Posted November 16, 2004 I'm thinking of having a series of "exhibition" matches, hopefully team-games at BBO, where non-natural and even experimental systems can be used, and we can watch them in progress and see how they work. Hopefully these matches will attract a lot of kibitzers. I'm also hoping that the use of them can lead to better bridge education for everyone, both watching the match and those using the systems and defending against them. I would like there to be at least one pair to be using non-natural methods at each table. The match should be set up in advance, and the pairs would have to post (in here) what methods they will be playing so their opponents will have time to look and prepare a defence to them. How to get partnerships together to try out experimental systems is difficult. Perhaps those who have one and want to find a partner to play it with should advertise in the "partners sought" forum - under a topic "looking for a partner to play my system". Maybe some players here will volunteer. After all, the matches are really for both exhibition and for learning, and there are no prizes for winning nor any penalty for losing. As a general rule, I would like to say we will allow players to look at their system notes during the bidding and play. Doing such would not be considered cheating. However if they reach undiscussed territory they must do their best and no table-talk will be allowed. Any partnerships, once formed, please put yourselves forward and we can start sorting out times for these matches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoob Posted November 16, 2004 Report Share Posted November 16, 2004 i think my f2f partner and i would like to get in on this. i'll have to double check with his schedule, though - traditionally in the range of 5pm-8pm Eastern time (New York) works for us with more flexibility on the weekends. there's a copy of our system here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted November 16, 2004 Report Share Posted November 16, 2004 i think my f2f partner and i would like to get in on this. i'll have to double check with his schedule, though - traditionally in the range of 5pm-8pm Eastern time (New York) works for us with more flexibility on the weekends. there's a copy of our system hereScoob, you check out the big ♦ system that Garrod / Shore play for the US junior team. It was developed by my friend Adam Meyerson. If you're interested, I'll get a copy of the notes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoob Posted November 16, 2004 Report Share Posted November 16, 2004 Scoob, you check out the big ♦ system that Garrod / Shore play for the US junior team. It was developed by my friend Adam Meyerson. If you're interested, I'll get a copy of the notes. I'd love that, thank you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted November 16, 2004 Report Share Posted November 16, 2004 Happy to participate... I suspect that Free or The_Hog would be willing to play as well. Whats the goal... Naturalists versus Scientists or complete chaos? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted November 16, 2004 Report Share Posted November 16, 2004 Happy to participate... I suspect that Free or The_Hog would be willing to play as well. Whats the goal... Naturalists versus Scientists or complete chaos? at least one pair to be using non-natural methods at each table Suggest not looking for naturalist versus scientist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EarlPurple Posted November 16, 2004 Author Report Share Posted November 16, 2004 I'd be happy if one pair are a "we can smash your system" pair, but I don't like having to constrain either pair or team to Natural so much that they can't even use Stayman, which is what the Natural vs Science matches were. Obviously, whoever is playing will be happy to play against non-standard systems even if they don't intend to play it themselves, though if we can fill the tables with all non-standard (prefer that to non-natural) system pairs, all the better. Doesn't have to mean a strong club or strong diamond. Could be a system where opening 1-level bids show less than the normal opening range, or 1♣ denies a 4-card major while 1♦ promises one, or similar. It's good that I've had so much response already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted November 16, 2004 Report Share Posted November 16, 2004 u should ask jdonn and kmb24...good junior players and are very familiar with their relay system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted November 16, 2004 Report Share Posted November 16, 2004 OK, depending on timing, you have at least on MOSCITO pair...In theory, it might even be possible to arrange for a MOSCITO team... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowology Posted November 17, 2004 Report Share Posted November 17, 2004 OK, depending on timing, you have at least on MOSCITO pair...In theory, it might even be possible to arrange for a MOSCITO team... This sounds like a great idea. I'm personaly very interested in watching Moscito played since just this past week I was inquiring about it and have just looked over quite a few notes on it. Nice to see the practical application. And anytime I can watch Scoob play his crazy ass system I'm all for it. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke warm Posted November 17, 2004 Report Share Posted November 17, 2004 i'll check with mike, we play the weiss club... however, this could be potentially embarrasing since i haven't yet learned the nuances of the system... i'd like to give it a shot tho Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoob Posted November 17, 2004 Report Share Posted November 17, 2004 i'll check with mike, we play the weiss club... however, this could be potentially embarrasing since i haven't yet learned the nuances of the system... i'd like to give it a shot tho you can relax; if llammas and i have an off day, we're usually good for 40 or 50 imps to our opps :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerben47 Posted November 17, 2004 Report Share Posted November 17, 2004 I could play too, either the Magic Diamond or my own 2-way pass system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted November 17, 2004 Report Share Posted November 17, 2004 Happy to participate... I suspect that Free or The_Hog would be willing to play as well. Whats the goal... Naturalists versus Scientists or complete chaos? Since my confirmating post is deleted, I'll confirm in a looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooonger post: B) Djeez! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EarlPurple Posted November 17, 2004 Author Report Share Posted November 17, 2004 In theory we have 4 pairs already. We'll need to confirm who is playing in our first match, arrange a time and ensure everyone's system notes are posted. Kibitzers should have the system notes available too. It is, after all, primarily an exhibition match. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke warm Posted November 17, 2004 Report Share Posted November 17, 2004 i'll check with mike, we play the weiss club... however, this could be potentially embarrasing since i haven't yet learned the nuances of the system... i'd like to give it a shot tho you can relax; if llammas and i have an off day, we're usually good for 40 or 50 imps to our opps :) heheh... then we can tie for last Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EarlPurple Posted November 22, 2004 Author Report Share Posted November 22, 2004 We need 3 pairs. We provisionally have one, luke_warm and his partner.Then we need to talk some times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted November 22, 2004 Report Share Posted November 22, 2004 We need 3 pairs. We provisionally have one, luke_warm and his partner.Then we need to talk some times. I'm available to play with either The_Hog or Free I'm pretty flexible with respect to timing, however, both of them have lives Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke warm Posted November 22, 2004 Report Share Posted November 22, 2004 for me, any weeknight at 8 eastern or any weekend... however, i'll check with mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoob Posted November 23, 2004 Report Share Posted November 23, 2004 spoke to llammas, and he's game. currently we're available like this: thursdays & fridays: 5-8pmsaturdays & sundays: noon-8pm (eastern times) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keylime Posted November 23, 2004 Report Share Posted November 23, 2004 We wouldn't mind trying out both KLP and our strong diamond system that is rather new. :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EarlPurple Posted November 23, 2004 Author Report Share Posted November 23, 2004 4 pairs could be: luke_warm and mikehrothgar and Free or The_Hogscoob and llamaskeylime and his partner Weekend looks best, either Saturday evening or Sunday.I am thinking of making it a fairly long team-game, perhaps 24 boards. Do we switch the pairs around (so they play the other opponents)? That would mean they'd need to prepare defences to both systems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted November 23, 2004 Report Share Posted November 23, 2004 I'm not available in the weekend, and I'm a European, so CET... Sunday might be possible, but completely not on monday, friday and saturday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flame Posted November 23, 2004 Report Share Posted November 23, 2004 Systems i wish to see here is Pavel's who posted his new evaluation system, and also tysen2k who had the idea of passing balanced hand with up to 16 hcp.Also fantoni nunes which was discussed here would be nice to check out.If you need a hand i'll be happy to play any system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted November 23, 2004 Report Share Posted November 23, 2004 Here is a summary description of the system that I'll be playing with either Free or The_Hog In first/second seat 1♣ = Strong, art forcing, ~15+ HCP 1♦ = 4+ Hearts, might have longer minor, ~9-14 HCP 1♥ = 4+ Spades, might have longer minor, ~9-14 HCP 1♠ = Unbalanced with 4+ Diamonds, might have longer clubs 1NT = 11+ - 14 balanced, could have a 5 card major Denies 13-14 HCP and 4/5 Spades unless 4333 Denies 11+ - 12 HCP and 4/5 Hearts unless 4333 2♣ = 6+ Clubs, ~ 9 - 14 HCP 2♦ = preemptive with 4+ Diamonds and 4+ cards in either major Could be 4432, denies 4441 or 5440 2♥ = preemptive with 4+ Hearts and (4+ Spades or 5+ Clubs) Could be 4432, denies 4441 or 5440 shape 2♠ = preemptive with 6 spades or (4+ Spades and 5+ Clubs) 2N = weak 3 level preempt in either minor Frequent use of relays2/1s are natural and non-forcing In third/4th seat we play Strong Club, 4 card majors, and 14-16 NTP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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