barmar Posted June 30, 2012 Report Share Posted June 30, 2012 On line, I don't understand how telling all three players you have a problem is better than just acting when you are ready to act. Nobody needs to know whether your spouse interupted, your mouse froze, or whatever. Thinking is least likely of anything, on line.Online players tend to be very impatient, and often start complaining "pls play" if you take longer than 20 seconds. I suspect part of it is precisely because they can't tell why you're not playing -- the uncertainty makes them antsy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted June 30, 2012 Report Share Posted June 30, 2012 Not every hand is at the same difficulty to think about. Imo due to this nature of the game, and for the sake of good bridge, the penalties to the delays especially at T1, should be reconsidered. We may sit down and try to make game fair thinking that everyone is ill intended. But this takes a lot from bridge. It may not be the same difficulty for you but its a good idea to let your partner get caught up and process, especially if you can anticipate an early decision. The more you do this, the more you'll just get into the habit of playing slowly at T1 as third hand. And as Andy says, the more you do it, the more the UI issues become minimized. Watch Crush sometime - or Fred. Their early tempo is a model for players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted June 30, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 30, 2012 It may not be the same difficulty for you but its a good idea to let your partner get caught up and process, especially if you can anticipate an early decision. The more you do this, the more you'll just get into the habit of playing slowly at T1 as third hand. And as Andy says, the more you do it, the more the UI issues become minimized. Watch Crush sometime - or Fred. Their early tempo is a model for players. I am not sure but i think by law you are not allowed to slow the game to help your pd figure out things when you know what to play. Anyway, here is what i do (assuming i am playing at real table) at T1 as 3rd seat defender. I analyse the bidding, the lead, study dummy and count hcps and possible shapes. After that i try to figure if there is any false carding or deceptive play positions or if there is any suit that declarer may try to gain info from my tempo by playing fast and decide which card i will play if he does so. During this process if i already decided which card to play at T1 i put it face down on the table and let em know i am thinking the whole hand. If i am not putting my card on the table it means i havent decided what i will play at T1. One thing i dont do is, i never check my clock or count to figure how much time i spend doing this every hand. It maybe 5 seconds or 20 seconds or it maybe 60 seconds sometimes. I dont really care about UI really since i am not doing it intentionally. Whatever i decide at the end of my thinking process i expect my pd to do the right thing. I have no idea how you guys can give numbers like 20-30 seconds and try to obey it, because i have no time concept while i am trying to focus on something else more important to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barmar Posted June 30, 2012 Report Share Posted June 30, 2012 I am not sure but i think by law you are not allowed to slow the game to help your pd figure out things when you know what to play. If you think for approximately the same time on trick 1 for most deals, then I don't think you could be accused of slowing down specifically for pd's sake. It's just maintaining consistent tempo, and as an added value it may allow partner to think as well. In general, everyone should be allowed some time to think about the entire hand after dummy comes down. It's a significant amount of information that needs to be processed. Neither defender should be denied this opportunity just because the other players played quickly to the trick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted July 1, 2012 Report Share Posted July 1, 2012 I am not sure but i think by law you are not allowed to slow the game to help your pd figure out things when you know what to play. Anyway, here is what i do (assuming i am playing at real table) at T1 as 3rd seat defender. I analyse the bidding, the lead, study dummy and count hcps and possible shapes. After that i try to figure if there is any false carding or deceptive play positions or if there is any suit that declarer may try to gain info from my tempo by playing fast and decide which card i will play if he does so. During this process if i already decided which card to play at T1 i put it face down on the table and let em know i am thinking the whole hand. If i am not putting my card on the table it means i havent decided what i will play at T1. One thing i dont do is, i never check my clock or count to figure how much time i spend doing this every hand. It maybe 5 seconds or 20 seconds or it maybe 60 seconds sometimes. I dont really care about UI really since i am not doing it intentionally. Whatever i decide at the end of my thinking process i expect my pd to do the right thing. I have no idea how you guys can give numbers like 20-30 seconds and try to obey it, because i have no time concept while i am trying to focus on something else more important to me. This will take a good 30 seconds on every hand. Your original question was whether or not you created a problem for your partner and I cannot see how this can be the case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexJonson Posted July 1, 2012 Report Share Posted July 1, 2012 He explained what happened after the fact? Not sure what you are driving at. LOLZ Timo. Just wanted to know if there were more issues Mr Ace wanted to bring out, seems maybe there were. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted July 3, 2012 Report Share Posted July 3, 2012 Were we in fault ? Sure, you decided to lose your time playing against this player :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted July 3, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 3, 2012 Just wanted to know if there were more issues Mr Ace wanted to bring out, seems maybe there were. Waaaaaa waaaaa waaa :D What happened sweetheart ? Did i hurt your feelings in BBO or somewhere else that i am not aware of ? Issues ? I am not the one who contributed nothing but attempted to troll out of nowhere. If you have something to say dont mumble, shoot it ;) Its ok i am a big man i can handle it. It feels bad to see someone who is trying hard but just cant get it out as if he is constipated in words. Shoot it whatever it is, trust me you will feel much better :D Did someone put a gun on your head to read my posts ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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