32519 Posted July 21, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 21, 2013 Did the modifications include the brilliant decision to play take-out doubles when they overcall?Yes. We have had opponents stop in a minor suit partial when they were cold for 5m or 5NT. So an overcall, when we judge the hand belongs to them, will simply get passed and we hope they stop short of game. Never lose sight of the fact that they need to go up another two levels for 5m after the overcall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
32519 Posted July 21, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 21, 2013 Who introduced, and why was the 5/5 minor suit bid introduced, 5-10 HCP? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfa1010 Posted July 21, 2013 Report Share Posted July 21, 2013 I have had good results with 2N both minors, weak. Mostly when partner can bid 5m or when they misjudge to enter a misfit deal. Two weaks ago I had KQJxx, AKJxx, x, Kx and an opponent made a crazy balancing double against 3♣ vul vs not, going for -1400 in 3♥X against a touch and go 3♣ (defeated on a trump lead). I don't expect such a result against world class opponents, but noone plays against world class opponents all the time. 3♣ both minors is fine in theory, but alas 3♣ is already occupied as a club preempt. Preempting in both minors is more annoying to the opponents than preempting with 5-5 majors, since both major suits are still in play for them, and they will have more to sort out. Opening with the boss suits will buy the contract often right there, so we better be right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted July 22, 2013 Report Share Posted July 22, 2013 Give up Michael and Gwnn. It is clear that the numeric one has as much nous about bidding theory as my dog. I note with interest that he has not commented on any of the disadvantages of using this bid that people pointed out to him. You now the old saying - "Don't wrestle with a pig. The pig will enjoy it and you just get dirty." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfa1010 Posted July 22, 2013 Report Share Posted July 22, 2013 Give up Michael and Gwnn. It is clear that the numeric one has as much nous about bidding theory as my dog. I note with interest that he has not commented on any of the disadvantages of using this bid that people pointed out to him. You now the old saying - "Don't wrestle with a pig. The pig will enjoy it and you just get dirty."I'm not discussing with someone in particular. I'm posting in a thread with an interesting topic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zelandakh Posted July 22, 2013 Report Share Posted July 22, 2013 What about suggesting them for the secret Bridge Olympics?Or playing them in a jec match. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted July 22, 2013 Report Share Posted July 22, 2013 Give up Michael and Gwnn. It is clear that the numeric one has as much nous about bidding theory as my dog. I note with interest that he has not commented on any of the disadvantages of using this bid that people pointed out to him. You now the old saying - "Don't wrestle with a pig. The pig will enjoy it and you just get dirty."To some people, wrestling with pigs is fun. It is shark wrestling with all the excitement but much less danger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
32519 Posted July 25, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 25, 2013 You now the old saying - "Don't wrestle with a pig. The pig will enjoy it and you just get dirty."This is priceless! Consider your own login name before posting stuff like this. Sheesh! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted July 26, 2013 Report Share Posted July 26, 2013 This is priceless! Consider your own login name before posting stuff like this. Sheesh! Apparently irony, just like basic bridge theory, is lost on you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FM75 Posted July 26, 2013 Report Share Posted July 26, 2013 Or you can use 2NT as 3 possible hand types (but not in regular ACBL events) http://pigpen.org.uk/BBO/2n.php It does not come up often. But we ended up in 3M= for a plus tonight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
32519 Posted August 1, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 1, 2013 To bring this thread up to date this post has been copied in from elsewhere. I am still hoping for a detailed answer: Another downside not off the table yet we have 2NT for 5-5 in the minors, 5-10 HCP.What do I gain? The entire 1 and 2 levels have been taken away from the opponents.Downsides? I gave a whole list in the thread with a request that all who play the bid give me their reasons for doing so. Thus far not a single one has responded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnu Posted August 1, 2013 Report Share Posted August 1, 2013 I'm convinced. I can't think of a single reason why "you" shouldn't use 2NT for the minors. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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