yin970902 Posted June 28, 2012 Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 [hv=pc=n&s=s8643hj7dak74cq74&d=n&v=b&b=13&a=1c1s]133|200[/hv]play 2/1,what is your choice?why?X1NTPass If notvulnerable VS notvulnerable,is your choice the same? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted June 28, 2012 Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 [hv=pc=n&s=s8643hj7dak74cq74&d=n&v=b&b=13&a=1c1s]133|200[/hv]play 2/1,what is your choice?why?X1NTPass If notvaluable VS notvaluable,is your choice the same? If my options are limited to these 3 then definetely pass. Cue or 2♦ are flawed alternatives i guess. Pass and bid 2♠ when pd doubles would be my plan. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted June 28, 2012 Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 1nt no problem yet not going to over worry about right siding the hand at expense of pass. 1nt tells my shape and strength in one bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMoe Posted June 28, 2012 Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 Liking Pass then 2♦ over partner's expected reopening double. Nice 9 not worthy of 2♠ cue IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted June 28, 2012 Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 Easy pass. If partner passes I'm happy knowing they are in a Burns Fit. If he doubles, I have a mild problem. If he has a stiff spade he has five clubs. If he has a doubleton spade the worst shape he could be is 2434 but otherwise he will have 5 clubs. In any case clubs will probably play better than diamonds so I'd opt for a 3♣ rebid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted June 28, 2012 Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 you can see the problem if you pass posters over dble will bid:2s or 2d or 3c...etc.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted June 28, 2012 Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 you can see the problem if you pass posters over dble will bid:2s or 2d or 3c...etc.. I have no problem, i believe cue tells perfectly my hand after my initial pass. It says; -I cant convert to penalty-I dont have 4♥-I dont have a ♣ fit-I dont have a 5-6 card ♦ suit -I cant bid NT now, i couldnt bid previous round either.-I have the max hcp available for my previous pass. If this is a problem, i wish all problems i faced in bidding was like this :) If there is a pd who cant tell what i have, i think my problem is bigger than you think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yin970902 Posted June 28, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 :rolleyes: thanks all experts!North's hand is as this :♠ AQ7♥ Q653♦ 965♣ A102 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted June 28, 2012 Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 :rolleyes: thanks all experts!North's hand is as this :♠ AQ7♥ Q653♦ 965♣ A102 :) so our options are to play 1nt or to defend 1s vul :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted June 28, 2012 Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 :rolleyes: thanks all experts!North's hand is as this :♠ AQ7♥ Q653♦ 965♣ A102 Good, pd will pass and we will defend 1♠ in our 4-3 fit and 22 hcp. This is better because it could be us who was playing 1♠. Now if we take 7 tricks we will recieve 100 instead of 80, if we take 8 tricks we will recieve +200 instead of +110 and if we take 9 tricks we will recieve +300 instead of +140. We will bail -80 instead of -100 if we take 6 tricks, we will bail -110 instead of -200 if we take only 5 tricks, and we will bail -140 if we take 4 tricks instead of -300. Hell, i like this :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfa1010 Posted June 28, 2012 Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 Pass then 2♠ over partner's double if he had one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhm Posted June 28, 2012 Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 :) so our options are to play 1nt or to defend 1s vul :)No our options are to play 1NT from the right side or the wrong side. :D Bidding 1NT when RHO has over-called is often fatally flawed even when you have a stopper like Kxx. When 1♠ is passed round to opener, he still has the option between pass and 1NT. Claiming that a 1NT rebid now shows 18-19 is wrong in my humble opinion. The bidding tells you that partner would not have passed without the overcall. All indications are when advancer does not keep the bidding open, that you own half the deck unless you think your partner must always find a bid with modest values after an overcall even if nothing fits, because Pass guarantees no values. I much prefer that bids after an overcall are descriptive and Pass is neutral. The situation is quite comparable to 1♠-p-p. Nobody plays that you need a strong hand to reopen with 1NT because your partner did not come in over the opening bid. Chances that you get hurt by this approach are negligible. Rainer Herrmann Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_clown Posted June 28, 2012 Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 No our options are to play 1NT from the right side or the wrong side. :D Bidding 1NT when RHO has over-called is often fatally flawed even when you have a stopper like Kxx. When 1♠ is passed round to opener, he still has the option between pass and 1NT. Claiming that a 1NT rebid now shows 18-19 is wrong in my humble opinion. The bidding tells you that partner would not have passed without the overcall. All indications are when advancer does not keep the bidding open, that you own half the deck unless you think your partner must always find a bid with modest values after an overcall even if nothing fits, because Pass guarantees no values. I much prefer that bids after an overcall are descriptive and Pass is neutral. The situation is quite comparable to 1♠-p-p. Nobody plays that you need a strong hand to reopen with 1NT because your partner did not come in over the opening bid. Chances that you get hurt by this approach are negligible. Rainer Herrmann So with the 18-19 NT you would rather double and then bid 2N? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhm Posted June 28, 2012 Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 So with the 18-19 NT you would rather double and then bid 2N?Yes A potential loss for this approach. I gain in many more circumstances. Rainer Herrmann Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lalldonn Posted June 28, 2012 Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 This is an incredibly obvious pass. You are so happy when partner passes it out. If he doesn't then you can bid strongly and he will have an idea what type of hand you have. And Phil, 1♣ 1♠ P P X P 2NT! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted June 28, 2012 Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 This is an incredibly obvious pass. You are so happy when partner passes it out. If he doesn't then you can bid strongly and he will have an idea what type of hand you have. And Phil, 1♣ 1♠ P P X P 2NT! Showing slightly better diamonds than clubs? I like the concept, but 3N is on the radar, and I'd still like to rightside. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted June 28, 2012 Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 When 1♠ is passed round to opener, he still has the option between pass and 1NT. Claiming that a 1NT rebid now shows 18-19 is wrong in my humble opinion. Chances that you get hurt by this approach are negligible. IMHO, the chances of gain from rebalancing 1NT on a 3-4-3-3 12-count are negligible. But, I have the advantage of having read Phil's and Timo's posts, in case I didn't already know what they said was correct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lalldonn Posted June 28, 2012 Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 Showing slightly better diamonds than clubs? I like the concept, but 3N is on the radar, and I'd still like to rightside.Opposite what hand? 18-19 balanced with spade stopper = 1NT not X, except maybe Ax. Even if you don't totally agree with that I think it's a way more common concern that we just want to find the right suit while still showing some values just in case. My partners can certainly be 4-4 in the minors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted June 28, 2012 Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 Opposite what hand? 18-19 balanced with spade stopper = 1NT not X, except maybe Ax. Even if you don't totally agree with that I think it's a way more common concern that we just want to find the right suit while still showing some values just in case. My partners can certainly be 4-4 in the minors. Mine cannot be 4-4. I was more worried about ♠Kx. However, I like the idea. Its the 2nd good one I've heard from you in the last 5 years, so you are definitely one of my favorite 20 posters! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted June 28, 2012 Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 Easy pass. If partner passes I'm happy knowing they are in a Burns Fit. If he doubles, I have a mild problem. If he has a stiff spade he has five clubs. If he has a doubleton spade the worst shape he could be is 2434 but otherwise he will have 5 clubs. In any case clubs will probably play better than diamonds so I'd opt for a 3♣ rebid.Pass is truly easy. Pass then 2♠ or pass then 3♣ will probably cure partner of reopening with a double with 2-4-3-4 and 12-14. Weak Notrumpers don't get to gloat this time. They wouldn't get the chance on the given hands to defend 1S and competent opps won't be bidding 2S; plus, they would have the same issues if 1S came back around and they held partner's king for a 15-count. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted June 28, 2012 Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 Opposite what hand? 18-19 balanced with spade stopper = 1NT not X, except maybe Ax. Even if you don't totally agree with that I think it's a way more common concern that we just want to find the right suit while still showing some values just in case. My partners can certainly be 4-4 in the minors.I think hands like Kx AQxx Qxx AKxx should double. Are you making a distinction between pass-dbl-2♠ and pass-dbl-2NT? I think 2♠ shows almost exactly this - I can't have four clubs, or I'd have supported immediately. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted June 28, 2012 Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 This is an incredibly obvious pass. You are so happy when partner passes it out. If he doesn't then you can bid strongly and he will have an idea what type of hand you have. And Phil, 1♣ 1♠ P P X P 2NT! True, you should read this article on bridgewinners, the authors completely agrees with you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gszes Posted June 29, 2012 Report Share Posted June 29, 2012 I am with the pass group---with it being so easy to show my hand if p balances with xa direct bid of 1n should be made with a weaker hand with (gasp) an actual spadestop. Trying to cater to p constantly bidding 1n and never having the opps suit stopped makes bidding decisions impossible. The hand does indeed look like a 1n bid but it has a flaw no spade stopper and thats enough to not bid 1n. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhm Posted June 29, 2012 Report Share Posted June 29, 2012 Pass is truly easy. Pass then 2♠ or pass then 3♣ will probably cure partner of reopening with a double with 2-4-3-4 and 12-14. So you think you make a living by letting opponents play undoubled at the one-level when you hold a doubleton in their suit with opening values in the reopening position?Certainly not my experience. Weak Notrumpers don't get to gloat this time. They wouldn't get the chance on the given hands to defend 1S and competent opps won't be bidding 2S; plus, they would have the same issues if 1S came back around and they held partner's king for a 15-count.I do not get this. If you insist that a 1NT rebid shows 18-19 when playing strong notrump, weak Notrumpers will reopen with 1NT holding 15-17, a clear advantage to them. They likely reach 2NT when they have 18-19 but these hands are much rarer and who says 2NT will be too high? A clear win for the weak Notrumpers. Rainer Herrmann Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhm Posted June 29, 2012 Report Share Posted June 29, 2012 I think hands like Kx AQxx Qxx AKxx should double.Trouble is that this hand wants to declare and playing from the right side is likely worth one or more tricks. I rather play a risky 2NT from this side than 1NT from partner's, even at IMPs, but particularly at matchpoints. The biggest advantage of bidding notrumps immediately comes when 9 tricks are in sight, not that unlikely when you are that strong, even though partner passed over 1♠.This is particularly true if you do not play negative free bids in partner's position. Rainer Herrmnn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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