What should double mean?

[Quartic]

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Our general system was Acol (4 card majors, 12-14 1NT).

 

What should double be here, and should I pass, double or bid something?

 

The full hand for all the gory details:

 

 

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Down 4 in 6♠X was a bottom. I didn't watch the play carefully, but double dummy my partner could have managed 2 down.

 

[MrAce]

You have to pass, your hand dropped to 4 hcp with xxx fit.

 

We debated a similar auction with Justin in a thread, with that many ♥ honors u have to pass now. Change your AQ ♥ tp somewhere else and you could (i would) double. Because then your xxx ♥ would be a great match vs your pd's stiff all hcps are working etc..Basically when you DBL with this you are not really happy if pd pulls, but if you had your AQ ♥ somewhere else (make em ♦)you are happy if he passes (you have a perfectly defensive hand) and you are happy if he pulls as well (all hcps you provide ise useful for him, he wont be disappointed)

[bluecalm]

Intuitively pass is terrible and 4S is obvious. I am prepared to learn something but I would be truly shocked if you can find one passer among top players.

 

your hand dropped to 4 hcp with xxx fit.

 

xxx is actually pretty good, it means all the trumps honors lay favorable for us and we have entries to take the finesses.

 

EDIT: Ok I can't read afterall, didn't notice the part about 4cM. I feel it's still 4S as partner rarely has only 4S with what presumably is heart shortness but I take back the obvious part.

[quiddity]

I would pass even opposite a 5cM. This looks like a square limit raise with bad trumps; I'll take the sure plus in hundreds thanks. And if partner can reopen with a double, so much the better.

[SteveMoe]

I think pass is called for. You didn't mention your negartvie double agreements, but if played through say 5♦ then partner just might reopen wiht a double and you'll be delighted to pass again. You have too much stuff in their suit, no distribution for short hand ruffs, and 3 small in partner's suit to boot.

 

To your question I play that a Double here is penalty with some partners, negative with some, and cards with others. I always talk about preferences here in case this stuff comes up. I prefer negative/cards as discussed by Marty Bergen.

[Quartic]

I think pass is called for. You didn't mention your negartvie double agreements, but if played through say 5♦ then partner just might reopen wiht a double and you'll be delighted to pass again. You have too much stuff in their suit, no distribution for short hand ruffs, and 3 small in partner's suit to boot.

 

To your question I play that a Double here is penalty with some partners, negative with some, and cards with others. I always talk about preferences here in case this stuff comes up. I prefer negative/cards as discussed by Marty Bergen.

 

We had no agreements about negative doubles - we hadn't played for over a month, and we didn't have an old card to refresh our memories, so we'd quickly filled one in before the session. Unfortunately we hadn't discussed how high to play negative doubles.