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Forcingness after 1D-2C


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[hv=lin=pn|Cascavel,~~M2405,~~M2403,~~M2404|st%7C%7Cmd%7C2SKAH4AD38JQC389JQ%2CSTJQH567TD2479CKA%2CS457H9QKD56KAC47T%2C%7Crh%7C%7Cah%7CBoard%204%7Csv%7Cb%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C1D%7Can%7CMinor%20suit%20opening%20--%203%2B%20D%3B%2011-21%20HCP%3B%2012-22%20total%20points%20%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C2C%7Can%7CForcing%20two%20over%20one%20--%2011%2B%20HCP%3B%20biddable%20C%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C2N%7Can%7C2-5%20C%3B%203-5%20D%3B%202-5%20H%3B%202-5%20S%3B%2011-14%20HCP%3B%2012%2B%20total%20points%20%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C3D%7Can%7C5%2B%20C%3B%2011%2B%20HCP%3B%20biddable%20D%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cpc%7CH2%7Cpc%7CH4%7Cpc%7CHT%7Cpc%7CHQ%7Cpc%7CD5%7Cpc%7CDT%7Cpc%7CDQ%7Cpc%7CD2%7Cpc%7CD3%7Cpc%7CD7%7Cpc%7CDA%7Cpc%7CS2%7Cpc%7CD6%7Cpc%7CC2%7Cpc%7CDJ%7Cpc%7CD4%7Cpc%7CD8%7Cpc%7CD9%7Cpc%7CDK%7Cpc%7CS9%7Cpc%7CC4%7Cpc%7CC5%7Cpc%7CC9%7Cpc%7CCK%7Cpc%7CH7%7Cpc%7CH9%7Cpc%7CH3%7Cpc%7CHA%7Cpc%7CSA%7Cpc%7CSQ%7Cpc%7CS4%7Cpc%7CS3%7Cpc%7CCQ%7Cpc%7CCA%7Cpc%7CC7%7Cpc%7CC6%7Cpc%7CH6%7Cpc%7CHK%7Cpc%7CHJ%7Cpc%7CC8%7Cpc%7CS5%7Cpc%7CS6%7Cpc%7CSK%7Cpc%7CST%7Cpc%7CCJ%7Cpc%7CH5%7Cpc%7CCT%7Cpc%7CS8%7Cpc%7CC3%7Cpc%7CSJ%7Cpc%7CS7%7Cpc%7CH8%7C]360|270[/hv]We know that 2 is not game forcing over 1 in GIB's system. If 3 is passable, its description should include something like "11-12 total points", instead of "11+ HCP".

 

The 2NT description also has the same 5-card major bizarreness that has been mentioned before. The 2NT bidder cannot have 5 hearts or spades (or, clubs, for that matter).

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[hv=lin=pn|Cascavel,~~M2405,~~M2403,~~M2404|st%7C%7Cmd%7C2SKAH4AD38JQC389JQ%2CSTJQH567TD2479CKA%2CS457H9QKD56KAC47T%2C%7Crh%7C%7Cah%7CBoard%204%7Csv%7Cb%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C1D%7Can%7CMinor%20suit%20opening%20--%203%2B%20D%3B%2011-21%20HCP%3B%2012-22%20total%20points%20%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C2C%7Can%7CForcing%20two%20over%20one%20--%2011%2B%20HCP%3B%20biddable%20C%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C2N%7Can%7C2-5%20C%3B%203-5%20D%3B%202-5%20H%3B%202-5%20S%3B%2011-14%20HCP%3B%2012%2B%20total%20points%20%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C3D%7Can%7C5%2B%20C%3B%2011%2B%20HCP%3B%20biddable%20D%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cpc%7CH2%7Cpc%7CH4%7Cpc%7CHT%7Cpc%7CHQ%7Cpc%7CD5%7Cpc%7CDT%7Cpc%7CDQ%7Cpc%7CD2%7Cpc%7CD3%7Cpc%7CD7%7Cpc%7CDA%7Cpc%7CS2%7Cpc%7CD6%7Cpc%7CC2%7Cpc%7CDJ%7Cpc%7CD4%7Cpc%7CD8%7Cpc%7CD9%7Cpc%7CDK%7Cpc%7CS9%7Cpc%7CC4%7Cpc%7CC5%7Cpc%7CC9%7Cpc%7CCK%7Cpc%7CH7%7Cpc%7CH9%7Cpc%7CH3%7Cpc%7CHA%7Cpc%7CSA%7Cpc%7CSQ%7Cpc%7CS4%7Cpc%7CS3%7Cpc%7CCQ%7Cpc%7CCA%7Cpc%7CC7%7Cpc%7CC6%7Cpc%7CH6%7Cpc%7CHK%7Cpc%7CHJ%7Cpc%7CC8%7Cpc%7CS5%7Cpc%7CS6%7Cpc%7CSK%7Cpc%7CST%7Cpc%7CCJ%7Cpc%7CH5%7Cpc%7CCT%7Cpc%7CS8%7Cpc%7CC3%7Cpc%7CSJ%7Cpc%7CS7%7Cpc%7CH8%7C]360|270[/hv]We know that 2 is not game forcing over 1 in GIB's system. If 3 is passable, its description should include something like "11-12 total points", instead of "11+ HCP".

 

The 2NT description also has the same 5-card major bizarreness that has been mentioned before. The 2NT bidder cannot have 5 hearts or spades (or, clubs, for that matter).

or even four card majors. Shouldn't 3D be 100% forcing?

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