BunnyGo Posted June 11, 2012 Report Share Posted June 11, 2012 (edited) Hi all. This happened last night in the club. A32, AJ, AQT6, AJ82 Didn't qualify for our 21-22 2NT bid, and is opened 1C in the precision system we were trying last night. The auction (white vs. red) vs. a couple LOLs P-(P)-1C-(2H)X*-(P)-?? X = 5-8 HCP and tends not to have a 5 card suit (definitely not a good one) Your bid? EDIT: Sigh....it took me until gwnn said that I couldn't bid 1NT to realize I'd mis-entered the bidding. The bid at the table was only 1H, not 2H. Happy to hear thoughts on both. Edited June 11, 2012 by BunnyGo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted June 11, 2012 Report Share Posted June 11, 2012 I would try 3NT, not best but other options don't look good. I am curious, what do you bid with 5 card suits with other ranges and stronger hands? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted June 11, 2012 Report Share Posted June 11, 2012 It looks like a pass to me. If we make 3NT, they're probably going for 500 or 800. 5m is far and please don't double with 5 spades partner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted June 11, 2012 Report Share Posted June 11, 2012 It looks like a pass to me. If we make 3NT, they're probably going for 500 or 800. 5m is far and please don't double with 5 spades partner.xxxx, x, Kxxx, KQxx looks like a bit of a disaster with 3N rigid and 2♥ requiring only a singleton in one of the minors to make, but only dialling 200 anyway. The problem here is no knowledge of partner's shape other than no decent 5 card suit, with a possible 1-4 hearts, you just don't know what to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted June 11, 2012 Report Share Posted June 11, 2012 xxxx, x, Kxxx, KQxx looks like a bit of a disaster with 3N rigid and 2♥ requiring only a singleton in one of the minors to make, but only dialling 200 anyway. The problem here is no knowledge of partner's shape other than no decent 5 card suit, with a possible 1-4 hearts, you just don't know what to do.If +200 is a bit of a disaster, I guess +500 would be a bit of an overwhelming triumph. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgoetze Posted June 11, 2012 Report Share Posted June 11, 2012 vs. a couple LOLsHm... I guess this means some of the kings are likely to be offside? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BunnyGo Posted June 11, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 11, 2012 I would try 3NT, not best but other options don't look good. I am curious, what do you bid with 5 card suits with other ranges and stronger hands? We only discussed system for a half hour or so. My partner had expressed a desire to try precision, so this was our first attempt. The agreement was for competition after our 1♣ opening where the competition stayed below 2NT (and wasn't a double) the bids were: Pass = 0-4X = 5-8 nothing to sayNon-jump bids = 5-8 with exactly 5 card suitjump bids = 5-8 with a 6+ suitnon-jump NT = conventional 9+ forcing, tends to have 5+ card suitsingle jump NT = 9-11 NT, balanced with stopperCue bid opp suit = 9+ no stopper, no good 5 card suit3NT (if it's a double jump) = 12-14 HCP, balanced, with stopper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BunnyGo Posted June 11, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 11, 2012 My partner was the one who had to make this decision. The thing I was considering after the fact (I'll still hide for a while what he actually did) was that most of the field is opening 2NT with his hand. Perhaps it's correct to try and get to the field contract of 2NT or 3NT and just outplay them? Or should this consideration not outweigh the idea that 1HX might just be better? It seems to me like putting one's eggs all in one basket by passing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted June 11, 2012 Report Share Posted June 11, 2012 Cue bid opp suit = 9+ no stopper, no good 5 card suit Painful! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BunnyGo Posted June 11, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 11, 2012 Painful! Perhaps, but we stole it from some old notes we found (I had copied them from Berkowitz's book once), and just needed *some* agreement. This was more just for fun and if we're going to form a steady precision partnership we'll find better agreements and spend more time on it later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted June 11, 2012 Report Share Posted June 11, 2012 Regardless of how well if worked or failed on this hand, wtf? I can't bid spades in a forcing way? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted June 11, 2012 Report Share Posted June 11, 2012 If +200 is a bit of a disaster, I guess +500 would be a bit of an overwhelming triumph. :)No, I don't worry too much about 2-3 IMPs on this sort of board, I do worry about 5-6 with a decent chance of a double game swing. If I was 99% sure of taking 200, with decent chances of 500, I'd be happy with this, but there is no certainty of 200, at this vul, opps can have some pretty wild shape and not bid up as they would at other vuls, Qxx, KQxxxxx, xx, x/KJx, 10xx, Jxx, xxxx is perfectly plausible for example. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted June 11, 2012 Report Share Posted June 11, 2012 No, I don't worry too much about 2-3 IMPs on this sort of board, I do worry about 5-6 with a decent chance of a double game swing. If I was 99% sure of taking 200, with decent chances of 500, I'd be happy with this, but there is no certainty of 200, at this vul, opps can have some pretty wild shape and not bid up as they would at other vuls, Qxx, KQxxxxx, xx, x/KJx, 10xx, Jxx, xxxx is perfectly plausible for example.Pretty sure we're playing matchpoints. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BunnyGo Posted June 11, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 11, 2012 Regardless of how well if worked or failed on this hand, wtf? I can't bid spades in a forcing way? opener? or responder? Responder bids spades by bidding 1NT, then spades (forcing) Opener makes a 2S bid here to show a "2♣" opener with spades. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted June 11, 2012 Report Share Posted June 11, 2012 Responder cannot bid 1NT over 2H. Sorry for the TLA in my prior post. edit: aha, 2NT then spades. still, this is weird to me sorry. They will raise hearts and we will be often stuck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BunnyGo Posted June 11, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 11, 2012 Responder cannot bid 1NT over 2H. Sorry for the TLA in my prior post. edit: aha, 2NT then spades. still, this is weird to me sorry. They will raise hearts and we will be often stuck. GAH! just realized I mis-entered the bidding. It's much harder to pass when it's only a 1H bid instead of 2H. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted June 11, 2012 Report Share Posted June 11, 2012 Pretty sure we're playing matchpoints.Sorry, wasn't clear to me, I play at a club about 10x/year and at least 8 of those are teams. At MPs is much closer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BunnyGo Posted June 12, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 12, 2012 At the table (when it was only 1 heart) my partner decided to pass. I was kind enough to provide: Qx, T876, Jxx , Kxxx for a top board. Was curious about the decision to pass. It seemed reasonable, but I wasn't sure what others would do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted June 13, 2012 Report Share Posted June 13, 2012 I wouldn't pass 1Hx. Instead I would probably bid 2NT. 2H will wrong-side no trumps too often. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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