TWO4BRIDGE Posted June 10, 2012 Report Share Posted June 10, 2012 [hv=pc=n&s=skhat3daq52cqjt92&n=saqj64hkj64d4ca83]133|200|South is Dealer[/hv] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mbodell Posted June 10, 2012 Report Share Posted June 10, 2012 Maybe: 1♣-1♥ ; 16+ forcing - gf 4+ spades, 8+hcp, 2+ ctls1♠-1nt ; relay - 4+ hearts2♣-2nt ; relay - short diamonds, 4 hearts, 5+ spades3♣-3♦ ; relay - 54133nt-4♥ ; sign off attempt (minimum 1 club opener) - refuse signoff, 5 ctls4♠-5♥ ; where? - 1 of the top cards in spades, hearts, and clubs, 0 top diamond6♣ You know partner has Axxxx Kxx x Axx (where x is anything up to a Q), and some major quacks are likely to reject the signoff. And even without those, one could scramble to 12 by ruffing diamonds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmnka447 Posted June 10, 2012 Report Share Posted June 10, 2012 I normally play that over a reverse 4th suit or 2 NT whichever is cheaper can be either natural or the start of a signoff. Assuming the opponents are silent throughout, 1 ♣ - 1 ♠ 2 ♦ - 2 ♥2 NT - 4 ♣4 ♦ - ? Notes on auction so far -- 2 ♦ shows longer ♣ except if 4-4-4-1 normally not balanced but could be 2-2-4-5.2 NT - presumably something like 2-2-4-5, if you think opener could still be balanced for this bid, then 3 ♣ could be an alternative.4 ♣ - 3 ♣ would be a signoff, so all responder previous bids are natural. Responder shows ♦ shortness, and a big hand, slam interest. (Responder could simply have bid 3 ♣ positive with a lesser positive hand.)4 ♦ - a ♦ control. After ?, it depends on your cuebidding style, but you should be able to get there. In the old fashioned(Aces first), non-mainstream cueing style used with my best partner, it would go -- 4 ♠ - 1st round control in ♠s, denies a ♥ 1st.4 NT - waiting bid, not RKCB, has further slam interest, implies no more than 2 ♥ losers.5 ♥ - 2nd round ♥ control and implies a ♣ honor6 ♣ to play. Also note: the reverse also implies the exact ♣ holding held at a minimum -- with say ♣ Q10xxx opener would not reverse. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted June 10, 2012 Report Share Posted June 10, 2012 (edited) 1♣-1♠2♦-3♣ (FG)3NT-4♣4♦-4♥ (cue / cue)4♠-4NT (cue / RKCB)5♠-6♣ or 6NT North has a bit of a guess at the end, because he might be facing K AQx A10xx QJ10xx or K Axx QJxx KQJxx, where 6♣ is best, or K AQx AQxx Qxxxx, where 6NT is right. Edited June 10, 2012 by gnasher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted June 10, 2012 Report Share Posted June 10, 2012 1♣-1♠2♦-2♥(4SF)2N (minimum reverse, no extra shape, heart stop 1345/2245)-3♣3♦-3♥3♠(this virtually must be stiff K, 2N denied 3, 3♦ more or less denied Kx)-4♣(better than 5♣, serious slam try)4♦(KC)-4N (2 without Q)6♣(partner has shown around 15 points with K♥, 2 of ♣AK/♠A. While it's possible slam isn't making, with the lead coming up to my hand so no diamond thru the AQ, I fancy my chances). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gszes Posted June 10, 2012 Report Share Posted June 10, 2012 1c1s2d F to at least 2n2s five+2n semi balanced min less than 3 spades sequence denies 4 hearts.4c slam try forcing to 4n (3c would be non forcing and weak)4d cue shows slam interest (bidding 4n here shows no slam interest)4h cue4n takes control rkc5h 2 w/o club Q6c missing a key cardpass would love to bid 6n but too manyu hands where a dia rough will allow 6c to make and 6n at best on a finesse. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted June 11, 2012 Report Share Posted June 11, 2012 too tough I get to 3nt. Bit easier if north is first to bid. thought the south hand was just a shade to weak to make a reverse on. granted if you reverse it becomes easy to get to slam. north will never stop. bidding minor suit slams can be hard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted June 11, 2012 Report Share Posted June 11, 2012 1♣ 1 ♠2♦2♠ 2 NT 4♣5♣ 6♣ I play 4 ♣ like Zel, as KC, 5 ♣ shows a good hand and 2+Queen. This looks like a good hand despite the marginal point count. The values are so pure the clubs so solid.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nigel_k Posted June 11, 2012 Report Share Posted June 11, 2012 I suspect there would be more people opening 1NT if the combined hands did not produce an excellent club slam. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted June 11, 2012 Report Share Posted June 11, 2012 I confidently get to 3NT after a smolen sequence. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted June 11, 2012 Report Share Posted June 11, 2012 Me too, I prefer 1NT over the reverse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted June 11, 2012 Report Share Posted June 11, 2012 I suspect there would be more people opening 1NT if the combined hands did not produce an excellent club slam.No problem with that I play a weak NT. I was considering what would happen if I rebid 1N, I suspect the answer is that it would depend if I then showed it as 16 or 17. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted June 11, 2012 Report Share Posted June 11, 2012 (edited) I suspect there would be more people opening 1NT if the combined hands did not produce an excellent club slam.Opening 1NT with a singleton is what you do when you expect one does when one expects to have problems after opening a suit. Here, there's no such problem, because we're opener's hand is worth a reverse after either a 1♥ opening response or a 1♠ opening response. Anyway, it's easy after a 1NT opening too. Responder shows 5-4 in the majors; opener bids 3NT; responder bids his club fragment; opener bids a slam. Edited June 11, 2012 by gnasher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWO4BRIDGE Posted June 11, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 11, 2012 I confidently get to 3NT after a smolen sequence.The expert ( a Nationals champion ), who posted this on another board, also suggested the Smolen sequence and then 4NT ( Quant ) by Responder which he felt Opener would accept:1NT - 2C2D - 3H!3NT - 4NT 6NT - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - One of his "followers" suggested the Reverse -- giving more than full weight to the stiff ♠K ( in Responder's suit ). I liked the 2S rebid after the 2D Reverse ( as Codo , post # 8 ) . 2H! would be the weakness ( Lebensohl bid -- I'm sorry, it is NOT 4th suit forcing -- so, any other bid is forcing and 2S shows 5+ cards : 1C - 1S1D - 2S2NT* - 3C3D - 3H3S - 4C! ( Minorwood-RKC since agreement was first at the 3-level ) 4NT ( 2 + ♣Q ) - 6C________________________________________________________________________* If 2NT here is not considered forcing, there may be a problem;3D, 3H, 3S were convenient low-level cuebids and 3S must show the ♠K ! ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antrax Posted June 11, 2012 Report Share Posted June 11, 2012 I was feeling bad until I read Fluffy's post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted June 11, 2012 Report Share Posted June 11, 2012 Opening 1NT with a singleton is what you do when you expect to have problems after opening a suit. Here, there's no such problem, because we're worth a reverse after either a 1♥ opening or a 1♠ opening. Who is this we you are talking about? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted June 11, 2012 Report Share Posted June 11, 2012 Who is this we you are talking about?Sorry about the lazy language. By "we're worth" I meant "opener's hand is worth". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted June 11, 2012 Report Share Posted June 11, 2012 You write "opening" when you mean response, and you write "worth a reverse" when we are not worth a reverse. All very confusing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted June 11, 2012 Report Share Posted June 11, 2012 You write "opening" when you mean response, and you write "worth a reverse" when we are not worth a reverse. All very confusing.I've done a bit of editing. Is that better? Anyway, who's this "we" that you're talking about? You can make your own judgements about how much you are worth, but I am certainly worth a reverse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted June 11, 2012 Report Share Posted June 11, 2012 I guess you play them better Andy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_clown Posted June 11, 2012 Report Share Posted June 11, 2012 I would certainly open 1N as South, and if partner doesnt find an invitation, I guess we will end up playing 3NT. Playing a strong ♣, I think we will certainly reach 6 after: 1♣-1♠- 2♣-2♥ 2NT-3♣ 3NT-4♣ (RKCB with 4♦ minimum) 5♣ (2+Q)-6♣ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted June 11, 2012 Report Share Posted June 11, 2012 We tried South dealer and not treating her hand as a reverse; ending in 6NT by South; seems o.k. on any 4-3 spade break plus other possibilities. 1D-1S2C-2H3N(extras within auction..spade King promoted from original non-reverse evaluation)and on to 6N via our version of RKC for clubs and a correction at the end to 6NT. True, responder never knew clubs were longer; but she intended NT anyway. I have already seen on these fora how people feel about opening 1D with 4-5, but feel free to repeat :rolleyes: Anyway, that's what we did without benefit of seeing each other's hands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Statto Posted June 12, 2012 Report Share Posted June 12, 2012 It's worth a reverse after partner shows ♠ so we know ♠K is full value. We have some bullets and depth in ♣. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted June 12, 2012 Report Share Posted June 12, 2012 It's worth a reverse after partner shows ♠ so we know ♠K is full value. We have some bullets and depth in ♣.Whether it is reverse strength determines (for us) which minor to open. Later, the spade king becomes nice...as stated. We no-longer worry about the word "reverse", which no-longer has any relevance to the auction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted June 12, 2012 Report Share Posted June 12, 2012 1) To decide what to open and to decide when to reverse based on pard response will confuse many.2) otoh i MISSED THIS SLAM. My only point was that minor suit slams are hard to bid. I fully grant that strong clubers, relay bidders and those who reverse get to slam...easy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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