dickiegera Posted June 10, 2012 Report Share Posted June 10, 2012 [hv=pc=n&n=s95hkj985dq76cqt6&d=e&v=0&b=14&a=1s1n2s3h]133|200[/hv] Playing Lebenshol is 3♥ forcing or only highly invitational? If forcing how does one make an highly invitational 3♥ bid?Is 5 Hearts KJ985 and 8 points enough? Thank you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vampyr Posted June 10, 2012 Report Share Posted June 10, 2012 [hv=pc=n&n=s95hkj985dq76cqt6&d=e&v=0&b=14&a=1s1n2s3h]133|200[/hv] Playing Lebenshol is 3♥ forcing or only highly invitational? If forcing how does one make an highly invitational 3♥ bid?Is 5 Hearts KJ985 and 8 points enough? Thank you Normally 3♥ is played as forcing. Forcing bids here are pretty hard to do without, so you have to manage without "highly invitational" bids. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgoetze Posted June 10, 2012 Report Share Posted June 10, 2012 Playing Lebenshol is 3♥ forcing or only highly invitational?Forcing. If forcing how does one make an highly invitational 3♥ bid?Switch to Transfer Lebensohl. ;) Is 5 Hearts KJ985 and 8 points enough?Sometimes, but not with this hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mbodell Posted June 10, 2012 Report Share Posted June 10, 2012 [hv=pc=n&n=s95hkj985dq76cqt6&d=e&v=0&b=14&a=1s1n2s3h]133|200[/hv] Playing Lebenshol is 3♥ forcing or only highly invitational? If forcing how does one make an highly invitational 3♥ bid?Is 5 Hearts KJ985 and 8 points enough? Thank you Standard Leb gives you signoff and forcing when your suit is below there suit. Your hand is on the border, and I think I might force with it given good trump spots and a worthless doubleton in their suit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ggwhiz Posted June 10, 2012 Report Share Posted June 10, 2012 Interference bidding often takes away one of your options bidding room wise as happens here. The one to lose is invitational, just take a stand one way or the other. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gszes Posted June 11, 2012 Report Share Posted June 11, 2012 3h is forcing in standard leb--I do not view your hand as muchbetter than barely inviational. those quacks will practicallyguarantee the opps will get in a couple of times and they bothknow what suit to lead. I would x here--I play this as a hand withat least 8-9 power(and many stronger hands) and no clear direction (since we cannot bid 2n). That is what i would choose for this hand. If p hates 2n or 3n itis not too late to introduce our 5 card heart suit and if p passeswe wont be too unhappy either with our 2 spades. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted June 11, 2012 Report Share Posted June 11, 2012 I play negative doubles at the 2 and 3 level here so this is a clear double for me.My next bid could be much more difficult. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted June 11, 2012 Report Share Posted June 11, 2012 I play negative doubles at the 2 and 3 level here so this is a clear double for me.My next bid could be much more difficult.As long as your partner understands your terminology, I guess you could call in a negative double. A takeout double when 3 suits are involved is not usually referred to as a negative double, however. With the given hand, I don't think I would want to use a takeoutish double because it isn't prepared for anything your partner does except 3H. As to whether to bid 3H forcing or leben, I would choose 3H which would allow us to go down in a different strain if pard only has two of them :rolleyes: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted June 11, 2012 Report Share Posted June 11, 2012 As long as your partner understands your terminology, I guess you could call in a negative double. A takeout double when 3 suits are involved is not usually referred to as a negative double, however. With the given hand, I don't think I would want to use a takeoutish double because it isn't prepared for anything your partner does except 3H. As to whether to bid 3H forcing or leben, I would choose 3H which would allow us to go down in a different strain if pard only has two of them :rolleyes:Which 3 suits are involved? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted June 11, 2012 Report Share Posted June 11, 2012 Which 3 suits are involved?The other 3 besides spades, I would guess. Pard did overcall 1NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vampyr Posted June 11, 2012 Report Share Posted June 11, 2012 Which 3 suits are involved? Hmmm... They have bid one; there are four total. A person could potentially work this out on her own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted June 11, 2012 Report Share Posted June 11, 2012 I disagree with mgoetze about the hand evaluation, this hand is plenty for 3H, especially when there is no invitational alternative. I do agree with him regarding transfer lebensohl, it offends me to let them lead spades through partner. In my opinion there is nothing wrong with Jillybean's preference for the negative double. If partner passes it's good, and if partner bids you can bid 3H. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgoetze Posted June 11, 2012 Report Share Posted June 11, 2012 In my opinion there is nothing wrong with Jillybean's preference for the negative double. If partner passes it's good, and if partner bids you can bid 3H.Indeed this seems to be exactly the hand we've shown if it goes (1♠)-1NT-(2♠)-X; 3♣-3♥. It is a bit less clear if it goes (1♠)-1NT-(2♠)-X; 3♦-3♥ but probably still good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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