bluecalm Posted June 8, 2012 Report Share Posted June 8, 2012 [hv=pc=n&w=skq9hat96dj53cajt&d=n&v=b&b=13&a=ppp1n2ddpp2spp]133|200[/hv] Some explanation as to the bidding:1NT = 15-172D = weak two in majordbl = t/o to spadesS' pass after 2D = diamonds Now our double would be penalty and 2N natural. Our choice ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted June 8, 2012 Report Share Posted June 8, 2012 I don't understand our pass on the previous round. Partner made a takeout double of spades and we have 4 hearts. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted June 8, 2012 Report Share Posted June 8, 2012 The Pass of 2DX truly makes no sense. Nevertheless, I answered the poll; a bid of 3H now would be a gross compounding of my previous error ---declaring hearts at the 3-level when only invited to do so at the two-level + expecting a stiff diamond lead thru dummy up to my JXX is not a welcome prospect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgoetze Posted June 8, 2012 Report Share Posted June 8, 2012 Either I didn't understand your explanation of DBL or this is in the wrong forum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted June 8, 2012 Report Share Posted June 8, 2012 Why can't double be takeout of spades? I don't know the rest of their defense, but I don't see a problem with that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluecalm Posted June 8, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 8, 2012 Either I didn't understand your explanation of DBL or this is in the wrong forum. The latter option. I should've written t/o "of spades" I guess, anyway the double is t/o assuming the overcaller has spades. I don't understand our pass on the previous round. Yeah, I didn't think about it. Interestingly I polled some very good players including soon-to-be-national-team pair and they both pass here. I guess this is a blind spot of sorts as 2H makes perfect sense to me now. I guess I was blinded by going for blood attitude.Anyway, what do we do now ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted June 8, 2012 Report Share Posted June 8, 2012 Anyway, what do we do now ? Now I pass. Likely we both have 8-card fits, and we have KQ9 in their suit. They have a bit of a misfit. No reason to compete to the 3-level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted June 8, 2012 Report Share Posted June 8, 2012 I guess I was blinded by going for blood attitude. From my experience, when LHO bids 2♦ to show a major, which is doubled, they have a tendency not to decide at this point to delcare 2♦ doubled with their 3-card fragment, even a really good fragment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted June 8, 2012 Report Share Posted June 8, 2012 I wonder what double instead of pass would mean on partner's second turn, if its just extras then maybe we should pass out 2♠. 3♥ makes no sense, if we planed on bidding hearts we had to bid them the round before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted June 9, 2012 Report Share Posted June 9, 2012 Just to clarify our opinion that the agreement by the opening side is a quite reasonable one: 1) Double is not needed as a mere start of a cooperative penalty situation when righty has shown a single suit. 2) Making the double show a t/o of spades, specifically, allows the opening side the most room. 2♥ can be a takeout of hearts, 2♠ can be used for the minors, and 2NT is Leben. A hand with just spades and less than invite can wait and then bid spades.3) The opponents should still use 2♥ as P/C, and we can double with 4 hearts...we now know that their major is spades, but advancer didn't, yet.4) When 4th chair passess to show 5+ diamonds we get to simply bid 2H. It seems as if there is very little downside to the OP's agreement for the double. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgoetze Posted June 9, 2012 Report Share Posted June 9, 2012 Did someone say that double as takeout of spades is not a reasonable agreement? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted June 10, 2012 Report Share Posted June 10, 2012 The pass of 2D X is absurd. Why play these methods if you don't know how to play the followups? This was a 2H bid. Now that I have butchered the bidding, I pass at this juncture. I do not want to play a likely 4-4 fit at the 3 level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dake50 Posted June 10, 2012 Report Share Posted June 10, 2012 Isn't double obvious? We chose not 3H on the last round - must be to get a crack at 2S-X.Hope partner has defense or a second suitif pure shapely T/O Dbl of Spades (assumed).Maybe we land in 3H when 2S-X won't succeed.If this double fails, plain old 'bad judgment'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gszes Posted June 10, 2012 Report Share Posted June 10, 2012 I agree that W should have bid 2h over the original x and then E would have been much better placed to continue the bidding.Having passed and knowing P had to be at least invitationalwe need to choose btn x or nt or h (belatedly). Leaving the oppsin 2s at MP is probably the kiss of death. I favor x mostlybecause we have the vast majority of the power and still noguarantee of a game. If we manage a 1 trick set it is probablya superb MP score and if the opps make we will most likelyhave lost little in the way of MP. P failure to x again should limittheir hand to invitational. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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