jillybean Posted June 3, 2012 Report Share Posted June 3, 2012 [hv=pc=n&s=s74haj9dat43ckj84&d=s&v=0&b=11&a=1dp1h2sppdp]133|200[/hv] IMP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSGibson Posted June 3, 2012 Report Share Posted June 3, 2012 2N - two places to play. If partner bids 3♦, I will correct to 3♥ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgoetze Posted June 3, 2012 Report Share Posted June 3, 2012 If I were playing a natural 1♦ opening, as in T-Walsh or Polish Club, this would be an easy 3♥ bid. Now, as partner doesn't know what I have, I don't know what partner has, so 2NT may indeed be better. At least it's not matchpoints... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted June 4, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 4, 2012 If you bid 2N partner will bid 3♣ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MickyB Posted June 4, 2012 Report Share Posted June 4, 2012 If I were playing a natural 1♦ opening, as in T-Walsh or Polish Club, this would be an easy 3♥ bid. Now, as partner doesn't know what I have, I don't know what partner has, so 2NT may indeed be better. At least it's not matchpoints... Eh? That my 1D opening may have been 4-4-3-2 precisely is irrelevant, that hand is always correcting diamonds to hearts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanoi5 Posted June 4, 2012 Report Share Posted June 4, 2012 3♥ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSGibson Posted June 4, 2012 Report Share Posted June 4, 2012 If you bid 2N partner will bid 3♣ ok, we'll play 3♣ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted June 4, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 4, 2012 [hv=pc=n&s=s74haj9dat43ckj84&n=sa5hkq62dkj8caq75&d=s&v=0&b=11&a=1dp1h2sppdp2np?]266|200[/hv] How do we bid this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgoetze Posted June 4, 2012 Report Share Posted June 4, 2012 3♠. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfi Posted June 4, 2012 Report Share Posted June 4, 2012 How do we bid this? Well, you can't bid a passable 3C. You need to throw in a cuebid at some point to force to game, and now seems as good a time as any. If partner bids 3NT, you can continue with 4C to offer a choice of slams. Partner should get the idea that you only have 4 of them, and bid NT with only 3. If partner doesn't bid 3NT, then they will choose a suit like X asked for. If it's 4C, you know you have an 8 card fit (which sounds likely anyway). Getting to slam isn't much harder than just bidding it at this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted June 4, 2012 Report Share Posted June 4, 2012 I honestly have no way to find 6 clubs after partner bid 2 NT.After a more pedestrian 3 club, I had found it easily. This does not make 2 NT the worse bid in the situation you gave, just the successless one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lowerline Posted June 4, 2012 Report Share Posted June 4, 2012 [hv=pc=n&s=s74haj9dat43ckj84&n=sa5hkq62dkj8caq75&d=s&v=0&b=11&a=1dp1h2sppdp2np?]266|200[/hv] How do we bid this? I don't understand 2nt. It is clearly not natural... I bid 6nt now as I don't know how to uncover the club fit. Steven 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfi Posted June 4, 2012 Report Share Posted June 4, 2012 I don't understand 2nt. It is clearly not natural... I bid 6nt now as I don't know how to uncover the club fit. Looking at the hand, 2NT is surely showing both minors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billw55 Posted June 4, 2012 Report Share Posted June 4, 2012 Would've been a good time for a support double over 2♠. If I don't have that agreement, I probably don't have one about 2NT either, so I am not sure what to do. Perhaps I would settle on mgoetze's 3♠, or maybe just an unimaginative 3♣. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted June 4, 2012 Report Share Posted June 4, 2012 I like 5NT pick a slam with that hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted June 4, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 4, 2012 This was a hand sent to me by a friend, they ended up in a 6♥ contract -3. The club slam is the best spot but I think it is very difficult to bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgoetze Posted June 4, 2012 Report Share Posted June 4, 2012 6♣ is obviously the best contract if you know nothing about the opponents' hands. Is it still the best given the 2♠ bid, or is 6NT now better? (Also, the 2♠ bid surely increases the chances of 7♣ too, doesn't it?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted June 4, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 4, 2012 FWIW you can pitch your ♠ on the ♥ but 7♣ looses on the diamond finesse, but getting to 6 (or7) is the problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lowerline Posted June 4, 2012 Report Share Posted June 4, 2012 Looking at the hand, 2NT is surely showing both minors. Then it's easy to bid 6♣... So I guess the meaning is something less helpful. Steven 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgoetze Posted June 4, 2012 Report Share Posted June 4, 2012 FWIW you can pitch your ♠ on the ♥ but 7♣ looses on the diamond finesse, but getting to 6 (or7) is the problem.You can take the diamond finesse either way of course. ;) But my question was really: are the odds of getting the diamond finesse right high enough to bid grand, given that one of the suits is "known" to break 3-6? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vampyr Posted June 4, 2012 Report Share Posted June 4, 2012 Would've been a good time for a support double over 2♠. If I don't have that agreement, I probably don't have one about 2NT either... Are these agreements somehow related? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billw55 Posted June 5, 2012 Report Share Posted June 5, 2012 Are these agreements somehow related?Only in the sense that the former is perhaps simpler than the latter .. so that it would more likely be added first. Might just be my perception though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMoe Posted June 5, 2012 Report Share Posted June 5, 2012 Not sure I like the double from the strong hand. With 19, slam is in the picture. Partner's pass shows no penalty double (assuming support doubles through 2♥) with an opening hand. 3♠ cue bid instead of the double would elicit 4♣ from opener and cue bidding gets us to 6♣. Given the actual auction, I think 3♣ is indicated over the double. 2N should be scrambling or Lebensohl, so the 3♣ call is forward-going. Partner should now be alive to the possibility of a ♣ slam and cue bid 3♠ on the way there... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted June 5, 2012 Report Share Posted June 5, 2012 You can take the diamond finesse either way of course. ;) But my question was really: are the odds of getting the diamond finesse right high enough to bid grand, given that one of the suits is "known" to break 3-6?I don't think so. It would be close if the diamond queen and the spade suit were the only mathematical considerations. But, there is the possibility that you will also need the diamonds to come in for 4 tricks, not just 3 (4-1 club break). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kayin801 Posted June 5, 2012 Report Share Posted June 5, 2012 I don't think so. It would be close if the diamond queen and the spade suit were the only mathematical considerations. But, there is the possibility that you will also need the diamonds to come in for 4 tricks, not just 3 (4-1 club break). It's a decent mathematical play problem if preemptor shows out on the second round of clubs. Win opening spade lead, Cash 2 rounds of clubs with honors in hand, see E show out, and test hearts. If they are 3-3, you 'know' diamonds are 3-3 (assume 3334 vs 6331) and you just need to guess the suit. If hearts are 4-2 (3424 vs 6241) now you pitch a spade, ruff, draw trumps and guess. You'll also make when preemptor is 6151. Granted you fail against 3244 vs 6421, with preemptor having the diamond Q. But yes, it still comes down to guessing the diamond Q, which ultimately seems a tossup. I think any scenario where spades are 7-2 increases our chances. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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