caky_ Posted May 31, 2012 Report Share Posted May 31, 2012 [hv=pc=n&s=sakqj54h653d73c65&d=e&v=n&b=2&a=p]133|200[/hv] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted May 31, 2012 Report Share Posted May 31, 2012 2S. Wrong shape for 3S at this vulnerability. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yu18772 Posted May 31, 2012 Report Share Posted May 31, 2012 If you held AKQxxx, xxx,xx,xxx that would not be a real question...does the J of ♠ look so good that you would consider opening 1 a quick 8 losers hand unfavorable?Btw - I would be thinking of 2 or 3, not 1 or 2.http://www.bridgebase.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gifYu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted May 31, 2012 Report Share Posted May 31, 2012 1♠, too good for 2♠ by our methods. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zelandakh Posted May 31, 2012 Report Share Posted May 31, 2012 does the J of ♠ look so good that you would consider opening 1 a quick 8 losers hand unfavorable?I see 3 hearts losers together with 2 in each minor. Are you counting a spade loser to go with these? Whether this hand qualifies for 1 or 2 second seat, red is basically a style issue influenced by the system you are playing and simple preference. It probably does not make a huge difference at the end of the day which style a partnership chooses so long as they agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Statto Posted May 31, 2012 Report Share Posted May 31, 2012 Clear 2♠. After a 2NT enquiry (of whatever kind) we bid 3NT to show a solid suit. I am surprised some want to open this 1♠... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr1303 Posted May 31, 2012 Report Share Posted May 31, 2012 1S. Despite the soundness of my pre-empts at these colours, AKQJxx is too much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted May 31, 2012 Report Share Posted May 31, 2012 I'm old fashioned enough that this qualifies for a r/w 2♠ opener in 2nd seat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gszes Posted May 31, 2012 Report Share Posted May 31, 2012 at these colors I am promising a good 6 card suit (max 2 losers) and not much else outside. This handmeets that definition. There is still a chance this handbelongs in hearts or nt so preempting beyond 2s seemsunreasonable. Opening 1s with this hand has little appeal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted May 31, 2012 Report Share Posted May 31, 2012 2 ♠ obviously but if i was forced to do something else i am more close to opening 3♠ than opening 1♠ imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted May 31, 2012 Report Share Posted May 31, 2012 Clear 2♠. After a 2NT enquiry (of whatever kind) we bid 3NT to show a solid suit. I am surprised some want to open this 1♠...If you play 2♠ 6-10 then it's a 2♠ opener, if you play it 0-9 it isn't. We happen to open most rule of 19 hands at the 1 level unless there's a good reason not to, and there's certainly no reason not to here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lycier Posted June 3, 2012 Report Share Posted June 3, 2012 only bid 2♠, becuuse this hand is merely a bad hand with good suit.nothing with others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_clown Posted June 3, 2012 Report Share Posted June 3, 2012 2♠. Second choiche is pass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted June 3, 2012 Report Share Posted June 3, 2012 Clear 2♠. After a 2NT enquiry (of whatever kind) we bid 3NT to show a solid suit. I am surprised some want to open this 1♠...This Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmnka447 Posted June 3, 2012 Report Share Posted June 3, 2012 2 ♠. At unfavorable vulnerability and in second seat, a weak 2 bid should be made on good values. I fully agree with Statto's comments about how the auction may proceed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr1303 Posted June 4, 2012 Report Share Posted June 4, 2012 The problem is that this is a cast iron 6 tricks in no trump as well as spades. Give partner a twelve count or so with a stiff spade and 3nt has excellent play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted June 4, 2012 Report Share Posted June 4, 2012 2♠, 3♠ is close as hog and mrace said, and that might be my option nobody vulnerable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted June 4, 2012 Report Share Posted June 4, 2012 I think that 2S in second seat, vulnerable against not, should fit partner's expectations. This hand does absolutely not fit that description, it is a very different hand from the more typical KQ10xxx xx Kxx xx. I would only preempt with this hand when in third seat, and preferably when white. Opening 3S (as was mentioned by some posters) at these colors with such a balanced hand makes me sick. I think it is completely off. Opening 1S seems fine. I have 6 tricks don't I? If partner forces to game I hope I can table this hand as dummy in 3NT. I'm really surprised to see so many 2S openers. Will they not open 2S with KQ10xxx x Qxx xxx? Or do they open 2S on both, and think it is a good strategy to play wide ranging preempts, vulnerable against not in second seat? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Statto Posted June 5, 2012 Report Share Posted June 5, 2012 I'm really surprised to see so many 2S openers. Will they not open 2S with KQ10xxx x Qxx xxx? Or do they open 2S on both, and think it is a good strategy to play wide ranging preempts, vulnerable against not in second seat?Yes, and, yes, but I don't think these are such wide ranges, and responder has the tools available to distinguish them somewhat if necessary. I don't like opening at the 1 level vulnerable in 2nd seat with no honour card outside my suit. Presumably if ♠J is replaced by ♠x you open 2♠? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr1303 Posted June 5, 2012 Report Share Posted June 5, 2012 Presumably if ♠J is replaced by ♠x you open 2♠? Yes. This makes a big difference. Opposite a flat 11 with a stiff spade, AKQJxx is odds on for 6 tricks, AKQxxx requires a 3-3 break. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted June 5, 2012 Report Share Posted June 5, 2012 I agree with Zelandakh, this isn't really a matter of opinion, it's a matter of partnership agreement. This hand is too good for a 2S opening, even second seat at red, for us so I open it 1S. If a 2S opening includes this hand systemically, then I open 2S. What is a matter of opinion is the merit of opening 3S. I hate 3S. So many bad things and so few good things can happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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