kgr Posted May 30, 2012 Report Share Posted May 30, 2012 IMP's[hv=pc=n&s=skqjt8765hd986cj7&d=s&v=b&b=7&a=4sp4n(RKC)p]133|200[/hv]Do you agree with Opening 4S?Remark: You also play Namyats. 4♦ would have been AKQ 8th and maybe something next to it.Do you have enough to bid 6H to show your void and 1 Key card? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted May 30, 2012 Report Share Posted May 30, 2012 Not gonna show the void in this case. Maybe partner is trying to count winners instead of losers, or maybe I am wrong :rolleyes: . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted May 30, 2012 Report Share Posted May 30, 2012 IMP's[hv=pc=n&s=skqjt8765hd986cj7&d=s&v=b&b=7&a=4sp4n(RKC)p]133|200[/hv]Do you agree with Opening 4S?Remark: You also play Namyats. 4♦ would have been AKQ 8th and maybe something next to it.Do you have enough to bid 6H to show your void and 1 Key card? -Yes i would open it 4♠ -Yes i would show my ♥ void and 1 keycard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wyman Posted May 30, 2012 Report Share Posted May 30, 2012 Yes I'd open 4S. 6H now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gszes Posted May 30, 2012 Report Share Posted May 30, 2012 p knows you dont have a side ace but there is stilla decent amount of latitude for your 4s bid anywherefrom AKxxxxxx xx xx x to QJxxxxxxx x xx x 4n by partner may merely be trying to find out if slam is a good idea. Your having a heart void is nice butprobably not important to making slam (unless p has long hearts and your void makes it unlikely slam willwork:)) Just cooperate with blackwood and let p decide where toplay dont try and be a hero here. Think this way--since youhave 8 spades it would hardly be a huge surprise if youhad a void. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted May 30, 2012 Report Share Posted May 30, 2012 p knows you dont have a side ace but there is stilla decent amount of latitude for your 4s bid anywherefrom AKxxxxxx xx xx x to QJxxxxxxx x xx xSome partners might know this, and under some agreements there is latitude such as your second example. Other partners might expect a hand which more clearly has 7 to 7 1/2 tricks...Like 6 trump tricks in a seven-bagger and a bullet outside, or 8 trumps missing one card, or just seven solid. And yes, 4NT asks for clarification in that style. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMoe Posted May 31, 2012 Report Share Posted May 31, 2012 Looks like a textbook vulnerable preempt - rule of 3 style. Not sure 6♥ shows the trump Q. Which asset do you think partner wants to know about? Bidding 5♣ first doesn't necessarily shut out the ♥ control... A Trump Q ask will elicit 5♥... so we can tell partner about both...If partner fishes for the grand by bidding 5N or 6 of a minor, 6♥ will be very clear... I might have KJ109xxxx, -, QJx, xx and still open 4♠. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgr Posted May 31, 2012 Author Report Share Posted May 31, 2012 Thanks for the answers. Here is the full hand:[hv=pc=n&s=skqjt8765hd986cj7&w=s42h9864dt743c542&n=s3haqj72daq5cat98&e=sa9hkt53dkj2ckq63&d=s&v=b&b=7&a=4sp4np6h(1%20Ace%20and%20H%20void)p6sdppp]399|300[/hv]Lead was ♦4 and I finessed. RHO returned ♣K. Result: -1- Do you agree with 4NT?- I had no other option then play DQ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted May 31, 2012 Report Share Posted May 31, 2012 IMO, pass was correct. It was not likely ---with the lead coming thru North ---that the hand can produce five tricks to go with the seven promised if South is of that persuation. And If South is a Random 4S bidder it is just a crapshoot. In any case 4NT as Wood is unlikely to be a useful agreement after an opening 4S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zelandakh Posted May 31, 2012 Report Share Posted May 31, 2012 Here's an idea... 4♠ - 4NT========5♣ = side void (5♦ asks which void, 5♥ asks for key cards starting with 0)5♦ = no void, 1 key card (5♥ asks about ♠Q)5♥ = no void, 0 key cards (will have ♠Q)5♠ = no void, 2 key cards without ♠Q5NT = 2 key cards with ♠Q (if slam is not good over this you probably should not have asked) I play a similar kind of scheme in some situations but never considered it over a 4♠ preempt before. Not sure if it is a good idea or not though - things are a little cramped. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ahydra Posted May 31, 2012 Report Share Posted May 31, 2012 If only partner had the H10 :( I don't think 4NT is right with that N hand. You've got 3 winners, maybe two more but North clearly didn't cater to the possibility of a heart void opposite which makes slam very unlikely. I wonder what 5S would be here? Can hardly be asking for good trumps, since we already promised those when we opened 4S! ahydra 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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