jillybean Posted May 26, 2012 Report Share Posted May 26, 2012 [hv=pc=n&s=s94hjt6dakj54ct63&d=n&v=b&b=13&a=1sp1np3cp?]133|200[/hv] MP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yu18772 Posted May 26, 2012 Report Share Posted May 26, 2012 3♦http://www.bridgebase.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif Yu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wyman Posted May 26, 2012 Report Share Posted May 26, 2012 3♦ for me also. Will happily bid 3N over 3H looking for a half-stopper or pass if pard bids 3N. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMoe Posted May 27, 2012 Report Share Posted May 27, 2012 3♦, echoing wyman and yuo18772...adding only that I hope partner can rebid 4♣... :rolleyes: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilkaz Posted May 27, 2012 Report Share Posted May 27, 2012 3♦ also Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted May 27, 2012 Report Share Posted May 27, 2012 Definitely now 3D. Wyman, I think that if partner bids 3H you should bid 3S. You have a doubleton spade and partner can still bid 3NT with half a stopper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted May 27, 2012 Author Report Share Posted May 27, 2012 [hv=pc=n&s=s94hjt6dakj54ct63&w=s65h97432dt76ca82&n=saqj72hkqdqckq954&e=skt83ha85d9832cj7&d=n&v=b&b=13&a=1sp1np3cp4sppp]399|300[/hv] This is the full hand, south was rather unimaginative here. Note 1♠ - 3♣ does not promise 6♠! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wyman Posted May 27, 2012 Report Share Posted May 27, 2012 Wyman, I think that if partner bids 3H you should bid 3S. You have a doubleton spade and partner can still bid 3NT with half a stopper. Yes, this. Sorry not sure what I was thinking. :-/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted May 27, 2012 Report Share Posted May 27, 2012 [hv=pc=n&s=s94hjt6dakj54ct63&w=s65h97432dt76ca82&n=saqj72hkqdqckq954&e=skt83ha85d9832cj7&d=n&v=b&b=13&a=1sp1np3cp4sppp]399|300[/hv] This is the full hand, south was rather unimaginative here. Note 1♠ - 3♣ does not promise 6♠! North doesnt have a 3♣ bid for me. His hcps says he does but...whatever. Add another spade to south and game is still not good. 3 NT with the original hand is not picnic walk either. You are probably down if someone has 5♥ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted May 27, 2012 Author Report Share Posted May 27, 2012 North doesnt have a 3♣ bid for me. His hcps says he does but...whatever. Add another spade to south and game is still not good. 3 NT with the original hand is not picnic walk either. You are probably down if someone has 5♥How would you bid this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil_20686 Posted May 27, 2012 Report Share Posted May 27, 2012 North doesnt have a 3♣ bid for me. His hcps says he does but...whatever. Add another spade to south and game is still not good. 3 NT with the original hand is not picnic walk either. You are probably down if someone has 5♥ 3C looks fairly normal to me, 3c-3d-3h-3s-3n looks fairly normal to me as a total sequence, and I would rather be in 3N than out of it here. The hands don't fit very well, but its easy to construct weaker hands for responder that would make 3N virtually cold. Unexpectedly, having AKJxx opposite partners singleton Q is not a great holding!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted May 27, 2012 Report Share Posted May 27, 2012 3C looks fairly normal to me, 3c-3d-3h-3s-3n looks fairly normal to me as a total sequence, and I would rather be in 3N than out of it here. The hands don't fit very well, but its easy to construct weaker hands for responder that would make 3N virtually cold. Unexpectedly, having AKJxx opposite partners singleton Q is not a great holding!!! This is mp What you say doesnt make much sense to me either way for various reasons but whatever, do what you want. It is also laughable to hide behind "hands dont fit very well" excuse when you disabled yourself from learning if they do or not. 3♣ is not even a real suit, it is simply a gf bid that can be made with a lot of different hands. How would you bid this? I would start with 2♣ especially at MP where missing game is not my main concern. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted May 27, 2012 Report Share Posted May 27, 2012 3C is the obvious bid and that is what I would bid as well. I don't mind playing 3NT on this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil_20686 Posted May 28, 2012 Report Share Posted May 28, 2012 This is mp What you say doesnt make much sense to me either way for various reasons but whatever, do what you want. It is also laughable to hide behind "hands dont fit very well" excuse when you disabled yourself from learning if they do or not. 3♣ is not even a real suit, it is simply a gf bid that can be made with a lot of different hands. I would start with 2♣ especially at MP where missing game is not my main concern. Be Nice MrAce! It is a rare hand where you have a combined 29 count and 3N is a bad spot. If you choose to bid 1s-1n-2c-?-3c, to show 15-17 ish 5-5, you will miss games on lots of hand where partner has what appears to be a misfit and your red queens make all the difference in 3N. I am also skeptical if you think that sequence will keep you out of game on this hand. When I have 9 reasonable looking points and partner shows a good hand, pass is not on the radar. I also think its not a good style to have to jump rebid on three card suits. Especially when bidding 1s-1m-2c might just me some 5332. If you don't have a way to actually bid clubs and have partner believe you when he has either a good hand or a weak hand, it seems like some system redesign is in order. Its reasonably common to play that 1M-1N-2N = GF, and 1M-1N-3m = 55 GF. I think you are taking a fairly big position if you bid 2C. Not only is there the danger that this might end the auction opposite something like x xxxx xxx Axxxx, but there is also the danger that you will miss plenty of good games, and thirdly, that you are going anti field on the kind of hand where good play might well make a difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted May 29, 2012 Report Share Posted May 29, 2012 It is a rare hand where you have a combined 29 count and 3N is a bad spot. True, but responder does not always have a 9-count, and besides, on those hands you will get to game anyway. Also, perhaps the whole point of MrAce was that with KQ tight and Q tight your hand is weaker than your HCP suggest. A good point worth the occasional blunt post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted May 29, 2012 Report Share Posted May 29, 2012 True, but responder does not always have a 9-count, and besides, on those hands you will get to game anyway. Also, perhaps the whole point of MrAce was that with KQ tight and Q tight your hand is weaker than your HCP suggest. A good point worth the occasional blunt post. Yes, this. Some people jump shift with all 18 hcps. For some of us, due to the nature of jump shifts by opener, especially the3 level ones, it requires serious hands than just 18 hcp. I am one of them. As you said this is a decent hand but i would not put it into my top of 1 level openings. At least not untill i find a fit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted May 29, 2012 Report Share Posted May 29, 2012 I may not like the location of my honors, but 5-5 in the blacks and 19 HCP is still a 3♣ call. Bidding 2♣ on these cards risks playing it there opposite quite a few 7 or 8 HCP hands with no good fit or independent suit, i.e.: xAxxxKJxxxxxx Taking two bids on this hand could easily turn a plus into a minus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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