mgoetze Posted May 19, 2012 Report Share Posted May 19, 2012 [hv=d=n&v=0&b=1&a=pp1n(12-14)2c(Majors)2h(Natural)d(???)]133|100[/hv] 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluecalm Posted May 20, 2012 Report Share Posted May 20, 2012 Penalty imo according to the principle: "if they bid suits we have bid naturally or suggested by t/o double then our doubles are penalty". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mbodell Posted May 20, 2012 Report Share Posted May 20, 2012 This so has to be penalty. If partner wanted your other major, he could bid it. If he wanted some sort of forcing noise he could try 2nt. He's a passed hand so it isn't like he's got a zillion minor cards, and even if he did, he could just pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted May 20, 2012 Report Share Posted May 20, 2012 Will assume Michael posted this for someone else's benefit. He certainly already knew the answer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgoetze Posted May 20, 2012 Author Report Share Posted May 20, 2012 Well, I don't think it's so obvious. Do you just bid 2♠ if you are, say, 3145? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted May 20, 2012 Report Share Posted May 20, 2012 Well, I don't think it's so obvious. Do you just bid 2♠ if you are, say, 3145?It depends on whether partner is prone to Landy with 4-4 majors, I guess. A bid at all over a weak notrump should have overcall strength. Now, it just depends on your hand's strength whether you must "do" anything. Bear in mind, partner will know you have at most 2 hearts regardless of what you "do". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted May 20, 2012 Report Share Posted May 20, 2012 what do you expect landy bidder to do over double other than pass? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgoetze Posted May 20, 2012 Author Report Share Posted May 20, 2012 what do you expect landy bidder to do over double other than pass?Well maybe I could expect him to bid 2♠ with 5-4 and pass with 4-5? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted May 20, 2012 Report Share Posted May 20, 2012 Well maybe I could expect him to bid 2♠ with 5-4 and pass with 4-5?That would work. Then all we would have to do is figure out how to penalize them all the other times we want to. Suspect responder will not be trying to play in one of the Landy hand's suits very often, so it probably doesn't matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted May 20, 2012 Report Share Posted May 20, 2012 Mgoetze's point is probably that responder will never have a penalty X, RHO is not psyching and has bid 2H having heard his RHO show the majors. LHO has indicated 2+ hearts. It is an interesting argument that it is optional with 31 in the majors and some D, that might even be the best agreement but you cannot assume that without a special agreement. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted May 21, 2012 Report Share Posted May 21, 2012 For Takeout. Assuming no psychs, simple math tells you The Landy guy has 4 hearts, the NT opener has 2 hearts, the 2H bidder has 5 hearts, that leaves 2 hearts. Of course - East will expect, that West converts the double quite often,but it is for T/O. And if you agree, that the T/O on this level, can never be based on a void /single, than West can judge the situation very good. Our agreement is simple - as long as it makes sens, low level double are for take out. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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