Mbodell Posted May 19, 2012 Report Share Posted May 19, 2012 [hv=pc=n&n=s93h92daqt9743ckt&d=s&v=n&b=15&a=1n(12-14)p]133|200[/hv] Systematically over this 12-14 nt I can: passbid 2♣ forcing 2♦ and play it therebid 2♣ forcing 2♦ followed by 3♦ showing a game invite with long diamondsbid 2♠ as a quant invite where partner will bid 2nt with a min or 3♣ with a max (over both bids I can't then show ♦, as that would be slamming)blast 3nt Your choice? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avoidance Posted May 19, 2012 Report Share Posted May 19, 2012 3NT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted May 20, 2012 Report Share Posted May 20, 2012 3nt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted May 20, 2012 Report Share Posted May 20, 2012 Inviting in diamonds seems obvious. If partner rejects how is 3N gonna be good? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mbodell Posted May 20, 2012 Author Report Share Posted May 20, 2012 Inviting in diamonds seems obvious. If partner rejects how is 3N gonna be good? I thought so too and invited in diamonds. Partner has 3 small diamonds (is that as good or better than high Hx?) which might suggest diamonds can run, but is a bare bones minimum with: KQ6 Q654 865 AJ4 and passed 3♦ which made. Of course it is a magic hand where the diamonds are KJ-tight onside and the AK of hearts are in the same hand in front of partner so 3nt would roll. I think the other table played in a spade partial down the other way? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted May 20, 2012 Report Share Posted May 20, 2012 Diamonds coming in is like ~40%? On top of that we might go down off the top if we lose 4 hearts and a spade. We might also go down like 5 on a bad day (spade lead to us, diamond hook loses, spade through then we lose some hearts). Lets say 4 spade losers, 3 heart losers, and a diamond...down 4. We will rarely make when the diamond hook is off (technically needing AKx of hearts on and the SA on or something similar). Seems like a bad game to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gszes Posted May 20, 2012 Report Share Posted May 20, 2012 playign 12-14 there are far too few hands p canhave that make 5d the best choice. There is no reasonto assume 3n is out of the question and it is a vulgame so bid it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted May 20, 2012 Report Share Posted May 20, 2012 In addition on layouts like this when game goes down, it can go down a lot, so the normal 35% isn't sufficient. Agree with your bidding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted May 20, 2012 Report Share Posted May 20, 2012 Call me resulter but i would bid 3 NT in a split second. There are too many variables that will decide the outcome of this 3 NT and imo inviting discovers almost none of them. When you make an invitation with a long minor as your pd i take it as you need help in this suit. But you don't !! I would much rather prefer pd holding xx or xxx than Hxx or HHx vs a 12-14 NT. Even if pd knows correctly, each and every time when to b id 3 NT and when not when you invite, i would still not do it for the reason below.. By showing a long diamond suit and an invitation hand, not only to your pd but also to your opponents, you are reducing the chances of making 3 NT by A LOT imo, even if you score +130 vs other table 3 NT -200 or -300 winning +9 or 10 IMP will be a loser in the long run imo. This is way too valuable information that you give to defense with that type of hands. But when you bid 3 NT you may have this or you may have a 16 hcp balanced hand vs a weak NT. Very tuff to lead. And as Italians say, very first opening lead is way too important and disabling defenders from making a good one as much as you can is more vital than any other hint you are trying to predict by looking at your own hand when deciding if you guys should play game or stay in partscore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
y66 Posted May 21, 2012 Report Share Posted May 21, 2012 Blast 3N. This hand is too good to invite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted May 21, 2012 Report Share Posted May 21, 2012 Invite with long diamonds. The opoonents are no lols. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted May 23, 2012 Report Share Posted May 23, 2012 Invite with long diamonds. The opoonents are no lols. Yes, this is why it is a good idea to let them know we have long ♦ and an invitation hand, while it hardly says pd that it is actually better to hold xx(x) ♦ than Hx or HHx. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted May 23, 2012 Report Share Posted May 23, 2012 3d just seems like trf blame to pard bid... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted May 23, 2012 Report Share Posted May 23, 2012 Yes, this is why it is a good idea to let them know we have long ♦ and an invitation hand, while it hardly says pd that it is actually better to hold xx(x) ♦ than Hx or HHx. Yes Kx or KJx are horrible holdings.... while Axxx,Axxx,xxx,Ax makes 3 NT a lock... TY for this insight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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