Statto Posted May 18, 2012 Report Share Posted May 18, 2012 Do you go anti-field?You are asking the wrong question. At MPs you choose the actions that will give you the best chance of a better than 50% success rate. It barely matters what the field is doing; that is a fallacy perpetuated by some bridge players who haven't seen the light. I will try X here if predominantly take-out. 2nd choice 4♠. It's close. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluecalm Posted May 19, 2012 Report Share Posted May 19, 2012 On this hand, why on earth do we think that every other table is going to go 1H p 4H? I I don't :)I was referring to general principle which I think have some merits but admittedly in much simpler situations (say, in field when most pairs play 15-17nt we get some 9hcp and face a dilemma of bashing a game or inviting it). I accept your and Frances' point about not predicting what the field does as close to impossible task in most cases. 1N 2N game will be 53 % and you will gain only 1 % of the time because of 1N 3N vs 1N 2N 3N. Nobody has judgement that fine You "just" need to know what the field does and feel your decision is a close one to apply the principle not exact %'s. It barely matters what the field is doing; that is a fallacy perpetuated by some bridge players who haven't seen the light. I think you are misusing the word fallacy. It's not a fallacy. It's a sound principle which applies to situations when certain conditions occur. Now it might well be true, especially with many great players stating so, that those conditions barely ever occur in practice but I wouldn't call the whole thing a "fallacy". Btw, I bid 4S, I think hands with 3 spades are too big part of partner's range to risk a double. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted May 19, 2012 Report Share Posted May 19, 2012 I'd double, assuming that we really play it as for takeout, ie showing an offensive hand rather than just a collection of high cards. Even if partner has three spades, that doesn't mean we belong in 4♠. If he has a heart trick with his three spades, we probably want to defend; if he doesn't, 4♠ may be in trouble after we get forced at trick two. Even if partner has four spades, if he decides to pass my double that might well be best: imagine him with something like xxxx Kxx xxx Jxx. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted May 19, 2012 Report Share Posted May 19, 2012 I completely agree with this. Also, I would bid 4S. I agreed with the conclusion (bidding 4S) but not with the philosophy. The conclusion that I was referring to that I did not agree with was that 4♠ will lead to an average result at worst. Do you agree with that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkham Posted May 19, 2012 Report Share Posted May 19, 2012 Can we see the whole hand? I know it's basically irrelevant but always fun to see! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_clown Posted May 22, 2012 Report Share Posted May 22, 2012 I cant imagine, bidding anything but 4♠. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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