han Posted May 18, 2012 Report Share Posted May 18, 2012 It depends who you are asking to. 4♥ for most people is 2 places to play, 2 suiter, or whatever you want to call it. Minors are pretty much covered here. I was just reading in the Dutch Bermuda Bowl book about the following auction: 1S - (Dbl) - 2S - (Dbl)p - (3S) - p - (4H)p - (4NT) - p - (5D)all pass Sementa thought that 4NT was keycards for hearts, Duboin intended it as minors. 5D in the 5-2 fit had no chance while 5C in the 5-4 fit was cold. Who was right? Duboin had something like xx AK AKJxx QJxx. Perhaps 2D is an alternative to doubling, depending on style, but once you double I think that 3S is the only option for the second call. After partner bids 4H you can't pass, and I think that 5C would just show diamonds, why can't he have a strong single suited hand that wanted to play clubs if partner had those? Sementa had xx xxxx xx AKxxx. Not a typical hand for a responsive double, but using 2NT as scrambling it seems like you will usually get to a good spot on partscore deals. After 3S I think that Sementa should have bid 4C, but I understand that he wanted to bid his hearts after having suggested fewer than 4. It created this mess though. The real problem came with the misunderstanding of 4NT of course. I don't know what is right, although looking at Duboin's hand I don't see any other way to bid it so I think it has to be minors, and the slam try hands will have to bid 4S over 4H. What do you think? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MickyB Posted May 18, 2012 Report Share Posted May 18, 2012 Sim and I had a similar auction recently. 2S-X-3S-XP-4H-P-? 4NT as both minors, either longer, seems inadequate in case doubler is 2533. You could use 4S to show the minors with 4NT asking for the longer, or you could play both 4N and 5C as the minors. No idea whether this is worth the inevitable losses elsewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted May 18, 2012 Report Share Posted May 18, 2012 I was just reading in the Dutch Bermuda Bowl book about the following auction: 1S - (Dbl) - 2S - (Dbl)p - (3S) - p - (4H)p - (4NT) - p - (5D)all pass Sementa thought that 4NT was keycards for hearts, Duboin intended it as minors. 5D in the 5-2 fit had no chance while 5C in the 5-4 fit was cold. Who was right? Duboin had something like xx AK AKJxx QJxx. Perhaps 2D is an alternative to doubling, depending on style, but once you double I think that 3S is the only option for the second call. After partner bids 4H you can't pass, and I think that 5C would just show diamonds, why can't he have a strong single suited hand that wanted to play clubs if partner had those? Sementa had xx xxxx xx AKxxx. Not a typical hand for a responsive double, but using 2NT as scrambling it seems like you will usually get to a good spot on partscore deals. After 3S I think that Sementa should have bid 4C, but I understand that he wanted to bid his hearts after having suggested fewer than 4. It created this mess though. The real problem came with the misunderstanding of 4NT of course. I don't know what is right, although looking at Duboin's hand I don't see any other way to bid it so I think it has to be minors, and the slam try hands will have to bid 4S over 4H. What do you think? I think Sementa should have bid 4 ♣, not 4♥, this is a very problematic auction, no wonder one of world's best pair got it wrong. I am not sure if i would understand 4 NT as minors. Its probably correct but i am trying to be honest if you and i was having this auction, there is a good chance i would take it as RKCB on ♥ too, unless we have discussed it in detail previously. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted May 19, 2012 Report Share Posted May 19, 2012 I was just reading in the Dutch Bermuda Bowl book about the following auction: 1S - (Dbl) - 2S - (Dbl)p - (3S) - p - (4H)p - (4NT) - p - (5D)all pass Sementa thought that 4NT was keycards for hearts, Duboin intended it as minors. 5D in the 5-2 fit had no chance while 5C in the 5-4 fit was cold. Who was right? Duboin had something like xx AK AKJxx QJxx. Perhaps 2D is an alternative to doubling, depending on style, but once you double I think that 3S is the only option for the second call. After partner bids 4H you can't pass, and I think that 5C would just show diamonds, why can't he have a strong single suited hand that wanted to play clubs if partner had those? Sementa had xx xxxx xx AKxxx. Not a typical hand for a responsive double, but using 2NT as scrambling it seems like you will usually get to a good spot on partscore deals. After 3S I think that Sementa should have bid 4C, but I understand that he wanted to bid his hearts after having suggested fewer than 4. It created this mess though. The real problem came with the misunderstanding of 4NT of course. I don't know what is right, although looking at Duboin's hand I don't see any other way to bid it so I think it has to be minors, and the slam try hands will have to bid 4S over 4H. What do you think? Goes to show that 14-30 is clearly superior 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted May 20, 2012 Report Share Posted May 20, 2012 I know some very good players who use 3H x P 4NT as asking for aces. It's certainly a sensible use of the bid, I'm not sure what is actually best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted May 20, 2012 Report Share Posted May 20, 2012 I highly doubt it's sensible. There are too many other priorities in that auction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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