benlessard Posted May 15, 2012 Report Share Posted May 15, 2012 dp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zelandakh Posted May 15, 2012 Report Share Posted May 15, 2012 Just for fun ( if you can give up the penalty DBL ):Penalty double? Yikes! The problem with this scheme is the loss of the takeout double. What are you doing with 4-4 majors? or worse, 4414. This is essentially similar to 32519's scheme, the only significant difference being the 2-suited bids at the 4 level. Of course you could use 3♠ as a multi-way bid to cover this as per #12 but I am still not really sure where the gains are over a takeout double. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWO4BRIDGE Posted May 15, 2012 Report Share Posted May 15, 2012 (edited) Penalty double? Yikes! The problem with this scheme is the loss of the takeout double. What are you doing with 4-4 majors? or worse, 4414. This is essentially similar to 32519's scheme, the only significant difference being the 2-suited bids at the 4 level. Of course you could use 3♠ as a multi-way bid to cover this as per #12 but I am still not really sure where the gains are over a takeout double.Good point... I wasn't sure what the DBL normally is used for and the other posters didn't say either.[ But, admittedly, I did "borrow" the " stole-my-bid DBL " from 32519 ] . - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - EDIT: ( addition ) How about 4/5 and 5/4 major hands would be included in 4C! = both Majors: Responder - Opener4C! - 4D! = same length Majors ( 4 - 4 or 3-3 ) pick one [However, if Opener is 2-3 or 3-2, you will be playing in either a 4-3 or 5-2 fit ] . whereas:DBL! = 3H! ( completing transfer )3S! ( showing 4-4 ) Edited May 15, 2012 by TWO4BRIDGE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted May 15, 2012 Report Share Posted May 15, 2012 Good point... I wasn't sure what the DBL normally is used for and the other posters didn't say either.[ But, admittedly, I did "borrow" the " stole-my-bid DBL " from 32519 ] . Since you are asking this in expert forum, texas still on and DBL = take out for most experts that i know :) I am saying this because i am confident that most real experts play this take out, and it doesnt make sense to play both take out double and 4♦ stayman. Besides, 4♦ showing 4-4 majors/stayman is nonsense, after all NT opener doesnt have to hold a 4 card major, in fact best game can still be 3 NT :) With 5-5 majors, you can start DBL and then bid 4 ♦. FYI, it is same after 2 NT opening and natural 3♦ overcall. If you dont like to play texas here, you can use 4♦ for better purposes. Just dont use it as stayman with 4-4 majors. You have DBL available for those hands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWO4BRIDGE Posted May 15, 2012 Report Share Posted May 15, 2012 (edited) ...DBL = take out for most experts ....My apologies; I remember your post now, from yesterday [ EDIT: actually from 2 days ago ] ; but, hey, it's tuff to remember that far back. Edited May 15, 2012 by TWO4BRIDGE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMoe Posted May 19, 2012 Report Share Posted May 19, 2012 w/Expert partners I play:Texas only if jump 3M GF Natural3N to play (usually partial stopper+)4om GF Natural4mQbid - 44 Major with severe m shortness 0/1Double - negative - but w/2-3 m cards.4M to play Therefore w/55M we start w/3♠ and rebid 4♥w/5=4 we bid 3♠ then qbidm over 3N.w/4=5 we bid 3♥. If opener has 4♠s s/he can bid 3♠ Playing 4♦ as 55 is ok but opener can't cuebid below game... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted May 20, 2012 Report Share Posted May 20, 2012 Switching 3H and 3S over 3D is virtually standard Im a strong believer in transfers, switchs and everything that put overcaller on leads (or allow you to sign off or show a big hand). However lately I did see a fair number of preempts hands where It was costly to get the preemptor on leads. The preemptor had a singleton and get a ruff (its the only lead that defeat the contract), partner of preemptor had a void in the preempt suit and cant lead it but if its preemptor is on lead its ugly. Im just wondering if anyone else did get the feeling that it might not be as good as we think to get a preemptor on lead. You also get to play in 3S sometimes by switching them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted May 20, 2012 Report Share Posted May 20, 2012 Playing 3D as hearts, 3H as spades and 3S as stopper ask is virtually standard after 3C !Oh wait... Is it? We play 3D as hearts, 3H as spades and 3S as diamonds. With n low clubs we make a take-out double of 3C then bid 3NT to express doubt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted May 20, 2012 Report Share Posted May 20, 2012 I would expect a sequence like 1NT 3♣ dbl pass3♥ pass 3NTto be a 3NT bid with four spades, rather than doubt about the club situation. I agree that 3♠ is best used to show diamonds, though. Checking for a stopper is a long way down my list of priorities. Opener usually has a stopper anyway, and if he doesn't the suit may be blocked, or become blocked after the lead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tolvyrj Posted May 22, 2012 Report Share Posted May 22, 2012 If u use Dbl in these sequence as TO or xfer, dont u rule out the possibility of penalizing opps of stepping in? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted May 22, 2012 Report Share Posted May 22, 2012 If u use Dbl in these sequence as TO or xfer, dont u rule out the possibility of penalizing opps of stepping in?A slow pass could work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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