They are bdding your suits, what next?

[inquiry]

[hv=d=e&v=e&s=st832hak2d9876cj3]133|100|Scoring: MP

(1D) - P - (1S) - P

(2D) - P - ( P) - DBL

( P) - ? your bid [/hv]

 

You might consider the following "small" logics in picking your choice, or explain alternative reason for your choice. I would be interested, because I am fairly certain my F2F partner made the worse choice...but who knows.

 

Pass - he must know what he is doing and I have four D's - go for +200

2H - Pass? You got to be kidding me, I have four diamonds this is takeout so takeout

2S - Why didn't he bid over 1S? Surely he has spades

2NT - my diamonds will stop the bleedling

3C - well, I have an honor

Other

[whereagles]

Seems pard has a 44 c/h with around 10-11 points, and decided it wasn't strong enough to double 1S. I bid 2H now. Could be that pard is 4414 or similar and 2S is better, but 2H should also have some play, and it's not a certainty that pard has the 4414.

[Free]

Whereagles, you've probably heard of 'sandwich NT'? It's in this exact situation (1X - pass - 1Y - 1NT), and it shows the unbid suits with less than opening strength.

 

If you play this, he passed, so he'll probably have both Majors, NOT ♣ and ♥. With only ♥ he should've bid 2♥ now, penalty Dbl seems impossible, so it has to be both Majors.

 

It depends on my partner, but most of the time I'll just bid 2♥ with an unknown partner. With my F2F partner, I'll bid 2♠.

 

Pass is ridiculous imo... Any 2M bid seems acceptable, but I rather trust partner and bid 2♠.

[whereagles]

I assumed N/S were not playing sandwich NT, otherwise the bidding makes little sense to me :) (though both majors indeed has some logics).

[inquiry]

I assumed N/S were not playing sandwich NT, otherwise the bidding makes little sense to me :) (though both majors indeed has some logics).

I did say it was MY partner. Yes, of course we played sandwich NT.... but for the purpose of this question, feel free to ignore that possibility. It is not really essential for the answer anyway.

[Flame]

Do you bid 1NT with 4-4 ?

I always played double to show 4-4 and 1nt to show more :)

Anyway with a pickup partner i would assume he has 4-4 in the unbid suits and too weak for what he think he needed for previous round D, therefore i would bid 2h since with about 22 hcp they would make this 2d.

But with someone i trust not to have 4-4 in the unbid suits i would pass now.

Partner is more likely (looking at the bidding and my hand) to have clubs then spades, even if he has spades they doesnt spit well, opponnets are vul, partner can be strong(13-14 hcp would be nice) and 2d is a good bet, sure it wont always work but will i think its better then the guessing alternatives.

[flytoox]

I vote for 2S. Pd seems to have 4414, with h and c two suiter, he should act earlier.

[jtfanclub]

I don't think a 2♥ bid by partner rather than Xing should promise 5 (he didn't bid it the first time around, after all). So if my partner has four hearts, he also has enough strength that he can set this across any reasonable hand. And my hand is very reasonable.

 

I think my partner has the strongest hand at the table. I also think if we have an 8 card fit, it's in spades, and we've been forewarned about the bad break.

 

So I pass.

[the hog]

Pass is totally out of the question of course. I see the rationale for 2S, but don't bid 2S for a number of reasons, not the least that it may be confusing, it by passes 2h, and it is more likely to be doubled than a 2H bid.

 

2N is pretty hopeless; from where are the tricks coming?

2H for me.

[jtfanclub]

2H for me.

Enjoy your 3-3 fit.

 

You should pay attention to the bidding more next time.

[the hog]

I don't make a habit of playing with idiots; I doubt Ben does either.

[HeartA]

2♥.

[pclayton]

You simply don't have enough information about this hand to pass. Pard can't find a call over 1♠...well, so? Takeout doubles should be taken out; and this 4-3-4-2 is no exception. -180 or -280 will make pard think twice about balancing again.

 

And where are our tricks against 2♦? We don't have a tap suit, and dummy's spades are probably good enough for a club pitch or 2.

 

At the San Diego regional a few years ago I played against Mike Cappelletti Jr. and Brad Campbell in the swiss - all vul. I held a red 5-5 and an opening hand. 1♥ by me, 1N by Brad, 2♦ by pard., pass by Mike. I pass, double by Brad, pass by pard, pass by Mike with a yarb. +580. They are making 2♠.

 

His argument was - we are just getting into more trouble if I bid. I didn't buy it then and I don't buy it now.

[tysen2k]

This is matchpoints. A good partner should balance with a much weaker hand than could be bid over 1S. He could easily be 4/4 in the rounded suits. My vote is for 2♥.

 

Tysen

[luke warm]

i voted for 2h... seems straightforward enough... also i'm not sure how partner would take 2s, he might look on it as a cue for either of the other 2 suits, especially w/o any discussion..

 

if pard bids 3h, i go to 4... if he bids 2s, i bid 3s, if he bids 3c i bid 3h... but he knows already that i was forced to bid, so if he continues i have to assume his hand is better than i originally thought

[Antoine Fourrière]

2♠. Partner doesn't have two more hearts than spades.

[Gerben47]

2♠. Partner rates to have one more spade than heart and I do too.

[Fluffy]

2♥, it will often be a 3-3, but in doesn´t have to be a bad contract anyway.

[helium]

2 H

[Guest Jlall]

2S only with a partner i REALLY trust to be on the same wavelength. At the table with most partners i'd probably bid 2H to avoid a big accident on a partscore hand. If I knew pard was on the same wavelength 2S. Survive this deal then talk about what X should theoretically mean later B)

[jtfanclub]

2♥, it will often be a 3-3, but in doesn´t have to be a bad contract anyway.

That's a very frightening statement to me. Possibly true, but frightening nonetheless.

 

I had a partner who, in a very similar situation (and who doesn't read this forum), bid 2♥ rather than X in the balancing seat with 4 hearts and about 10 HCP. I had two of them, and we made it for a good board. For the rest of my days playing with him, I will know what a double means in that balancing seat- a full opener without the shape to X (which makes this an easy pass). And I'll know what 2♥ would mean as well...Double shape without double points. I didn't ask him to do this, we hadn't discussed it, he just made the bid that he knew wouldn't put me into a position like the one given.

 

If this very common situation is likely to put you in a 3-3 fit, maybe it's time to rethink your balancing calls.

[Chamaco]

2H.

Given the bidding pard could be:

 

1) strong but off shape for a 1st round double (e.g. holding one of opps suit).

But our holding strongly suggests against this hypothesis: it's WE who hold opps suit, so, unless opps are in a terible misfit, pard will be short.

 

2) If pard is SHORT in opps suit, he cannot be strong, otherwise he would have made a 1st round t/o double.

So he is simply protecting in the balancing seat.

 

 

For the above reasons I bid 2H and this will be my last bid, regardless of what opps and pard will bid.

 

 

Sure, it may happen that it is indeed CASE 1: a terrible misfit hand (and in this case we should leave the double in), but this hypothesis is against odds, and bridge is a game of odds, isn't it ? :)

[joker_gib]

2♥

[inquiry]

Sufficient votes are in, now for the rest of the story....

 

Your partner's hand was...

 

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My partner passed the reopening double. explaining "but they where bidding my suits, what could I do?"

 

Obviously, 2S was the winning call, flytoox, free, jlall, gerben47, and it looks like whereagles got it right in my opinion, but I would have gladly accepted a 2H call as well... anything but pass.

 

2S was top matchpoint spot for you folowed by 3S. Your opponents have a cake walk to 8 tricks in diamonds (6D, 1S, 1C), and can always set up a long heart (opener had HEART QJxx). They get the same 8 tricks in notrump. As for us, with "EXPERT" defensive play that matched our bidding, we allowed then two heart tricks (partner start HAK) so they made two doubled overtricks for an absolute zero.

 

I think a few of the 2S bidders have the theory of why 2S correct, I suspect Justin missed that it was matchpoint in the condition of contest, as he knows partscores are just as important as slams at matchpoints. 2H is a "safety bid" as partner must be expecting you might bid that... .but 2S is in my opinion the red blooded call. Even if partner has only 3S and 4H, you will be ruffing diamonds in the short trump hand.. which has to be better for you in the long run, than ruffing diamonds in the hand with four hearts.

 

Ben

[junyi_zhu]

Sufficient votes are in, now for the rest of the story....

 

Your partner's hand was...

 

[hv=s=skj97ht943d5caq42]133|100|[/hv]

 

My partner passed the reopening double. explaining "but they where bidding my suits, what could I do?"

 

Obviously, 2S was the winning call, flytoox, free, jlall, gerben47, and it looks like whereagles got it right in my opinion, but I would have gladly accepted a 2H call as well... anything but pass.

 

2S was top matchpoint spot for you folowed by 3S. Your opponents have a cake walk to 8 tricks in diamonds (6D, 1S, 1C), and can always set up a long heart (opener had HEART QJxx). They get the same 8 tricks in notrump. As for us, with "EXPERT" defensive play that matched our bidding, we allowed then two heart tricks (partner start HAK) so they made two doubled overtricks for an absolute zero.

 

I think a few of the 2S bidders have the theory of why 2S correct, I suspect Justin missed that it was matchpoint in the condition of contest, as he knows partscores are just as important as slams at matchpoints. 2H is a "safety bid" as partner must be expecting you might bid that... .but 2S is in my opinion the red blood call. Even if partner has only 3S and 4H, you will be ruffing diamonds in the short trump hand.. which has to be better for you in the long run, than ruffing diamonds in the hand with four hearts.

 

Ben

I also voted 2S, the better bid in theory.

This take out of 2D in nature is a take out in three suits.

A most common holding is something like this:

SAQxx HKxxx Dx CJxxx. Without spades, you can just bid 2H over 2D

and hope to survive there. So gain of the double is that it shows your spades

which can be very important no matter in MP or IMP.

However, for this hand, it's still a tough decision, because your spades

were quite small. If partner doubles with three spades, 2S might not play very well.

But that's less likely if opps holds 8 diamonds, because with 9 cards in C and H, about 10 HCP, partner may act earlier. I don't mind a double with Axx KJxx x QTxxx over 1D p 1S. Also, I hope I can pass 2D with Axx Kxxx xx Qxxx, although I know many would bid.