Poky Posted November 10, 2004 Report Share Posted November 10, 2004 1♣ - Dbl - pa - 2♠*pa - 2NT * Natural, (8)9-11 with spades Describe a hand for bidding Dbl and 2NT with it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted November 10, 2004 Report Share Posted November 10, 2004 19+ balanced Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted November 10, 2004 Report Share Posted November 10, 2004 Depends on what book you read. One possibility is 15-17: overcall 1NT18+: bid 3NT13-14: that must be it.. Kxx AQ Kxxx Qxxx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poky Posted November 10, 2004 Author Report Share Posted November 10, 2004 13-14: that must be it.. Kxx AQ Kxxx Qxxx You usually double 1m with 3-2 in majors and 14 count? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted November 10, 2004 Report Share Posted November 10, 2004 Absolute GF, slam try even, since it shows 18-20... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chamaco Posted November 10, 2004 Report Share Posted November 10, 2004 It shows bal hand + stopper, with at least a good 18.So it is absolutely GF opposite the invitational raise by p. BTW, someone please erase my vote for "NF but strongly invitational": when I voted I had not noticed the JUMP response by p. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted November 10, 2004 Report Share Posted November 10, 2004 13-14: that must be it.. Kxx AQ Kxxx Qxxx You usually double 1m with 3-2 in majors and 14 count? Sorry I though the opening was 1H. For opening 1C, the equivalent would be KxxQxxxKxxxAQ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted November 10, 2004 Report Share Posted November 10, 2004 I know of no way to modify votes... So your vote will stand with the observation that you didn't really mean it. Now to the question at hand... 1C-X-P-2SP-2NT The way many people use takeout doubles these days (too many points to pass, not enough to overcall 1NT, what can I do? Or in my case, since my 1NT overcalls are raptor), require a change in the way you respond to a takeout double. The fact is, most people play this jump to 2S as what, 8-11 hcp, four+ spades? I now believe this is not the optimal treatment. You need a better mechanism that keeps the bidding low until a fit is found (or in case no fit is found). So when jumps to two of a suit are available (as here after the intial double of 1C), the meanings should be....1 of a suit = 0 to 10 points with a four card suit (yes, sometimes you will just have to bid a three card suit). 2 of a suit with 6 to 10 points and a five card suit (ok, the place where I first stole this idea --ETM Victory-- says 5-10 hcp with five card suit - if suit headed by KQ). 3 of suit = game invite, 11-12 with five card suitIf rho bids over the double, jump bids same, lower limit on one bid raised up (but still four cards)How this influences your bidding is, of course, someone dependent upon the meaning of your double and 1NT overcall. But if you had Whereagles balance 14 count with 3 spades to king, you will pass 2♠ in your 8 card fit with a max of 24 and a minimum of 19. If you do play raptor 1NT, so a natural 1NT overcall is not available, you might choose 2NT here to be invite, with a normal 1NT overcall and no particular good spade fit. Responder with 9 or 10 hcp will bid game, with less might pass, or might introduce another suit. Or you could play 2NT as a range ask, or the like. If you use the normal 1NT overcall, of course, 2NT has to be forcing here. Ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flame Posted November 10, 2004 Report Share Posted November 10, 2004 With no agrement i would go with the strong version, but i think its a good idea to play something else since 18+ is rare and you can find another bid with it anyway.So i would prefer the natural invitation way, or other conventional meaning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerben47 Posted November 10, 2004 Report Share Posted November 10, 2004 Agree with inquiry that if you play Raptor this is invitational not forcing (probably with 3 spades). If not playing Raptor I think it still is the same, or do you overcall 1NT with this although a TO double is available? I think not. KQxAxxxQxxxAx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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