mike777 Posted March 30, 2013 Report Share Posted March 30, 2013 fair enough...you dont understand the question who is winning and why are they winning and who was the fav? I was not asking about the aronian position. to be honest I have no idea who aronian is.\ or what his position is. I concede all of that to you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted March 30, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 30, 2013 And I replied to that already. The second part of my previous post was written to other people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted March 30, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 30, 2013 And it's a story because at half time it was: 1-2 Carlsen, Aronian 5/73-4 Kramnik, Svidler 3.5/7 And now it's 1 Kramnik 8/12 (after dropping only one draw in round 8)2 Carlsen 7.5/123 Aronian 6.5/12 That is pretty awesome, especially if you think of how many people think Kramnik can only draw and how rarely you can win with black in top-level chess. It's also pretty awesome because it looked like for a long time yesterday that it was gonna be Carlsen at 8 and Kramnik at 7.5 instead, changing the odds and the tiebreaks dramatically. However, both Aronian and Carlsen played poorly, leading Kramnik to win instead of draw and Carlsen lose instead of draw. Also Carlsen had not lost a game of classical chess since October 2012 which is damn long ago. So are we allowed to talk about this or not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted March 30, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 30, 2013 Ah silly me, if Carlsen ties Kramnik he will likely have more wins (unless Kramnik loses and wins in the last two games - unlikely). But Kramnik will probably get 1.5 or even 2 out of the last two, a tall order for Carlsen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted March 30, 2013 Report Share Posted March 30, 2013 Ignorant question: will they know the state of the other games during the final rounds? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted March 30, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 30, 2013 Yes, they are free to kib as much as they like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted March 30, 2013 Report Share Posted March 30, 2013 It's also a story because Carlsen lost as WHITE to a guy who has lost 4 times on time this tourney and is one of the lowest rated players in this tourney. To put this into perspective, Carlsen lost only twice last year all year. On the same day, Kramnik won as BLACK against the world #2 or world #3 (not sure which of kramnik and aronian is higher) who is over 2800 rating. The odds of these two things occurring in the same round is so astronomical that it's pretty beautiful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted March 30, 2013 Report Share Posted March 30, 2013 Yes, they are free to kib as much as they like.So if they are tied before the last round, Kramnik has a drawn position, he should try to complicate matters just so Carlsen doesn't know Kramnik will draw. Carlsen either has to waste energy analyzing Kramnik's position, or may think he has to play for a win... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted March 30, 2013 Report Share Posted March 30, 2013 You are underestimating how well/quickly they can analyze a position just looking at it imo. If it is basically a dead draw Carlsen will see that in about a second. If Kramnik actually complicates it so much that it might not be a draw anymore, well...it might not be a draw anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted March 30, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 30, 2013 That sounds clever but in practice they prefer to just play as well as possible on their own board I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zasanya Posted March 31, 2013 Report Share Posted March 31, 2013 Interesting what Gawain Jones had said prior to the tournament about Vassily Ivanchuk. " I don't see him managing to win the tournament, because I think his nerves will fail him at some point [...] It's possible that he beats Magnus and then loses to Kramnik and Aronian or something. He could be very vital for the final standings." (Gawain Jones making predictions about Ivanchuk's performance before the tournament http://www.chessvibes.com/reports/fide-candidates-predictions Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted March 31, 2013 Report Share Posted March 31, 2013 This is just the sickest sweat, the sickest endgame, wow, whatever happens its too sick. Go Magnus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted March 31, 2013 Report Share Posted March 31, 2013 BOOM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted March 31, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 31, 2013 Epic stuff. Radjabov is strange in the press conference but whatever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted March 31, 2013 Report Share Posted March 31, 2013 I swear to god if Ivanchuk flags tomorrow...lol edit: Just realized that implied conspiracy theory, wasn't intended that way, more was just gonna be tilted at him and lol at the same time. Who in the same tourney could beat Carlsen as black and also flag 5 or 6 times? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zasanya Posted April 1, 2013 Report Share Posted April 1, 2013 Incredible. Both Kramnik and Carlsen are losing and so Carlsen is the challenger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted April 1, 2013 Report Share Posted April 1, 2013 lollllllll at both losing. It hasn't happened yet but both seem like a near lock to lose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjbrr Posted April 1, 2013 Report Share Posted April 1, 2013 amazing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted April 1, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 1, 2013 yes wow! that's not how I thought it would end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thiros Posted April 1, 2013 Report Share Posted April 1, 2013 Congrats to Carlsen, he is a deserving and worthy challenger to the title in spite of his defeat today. Do we have an Anand-Kramnik 2008 thread somewhere down in the depths of this forum? For a while, it looked like we might have had to go down and gravedig it.... People are complaining about the tiebreak, I think more wins is a great way to do it. Encouraging sharp chess is good for the game, and what a more effective way than to count a win and a loss as superior to two draws for the purpose of sending a challenger to play for the title? Kramnik may have played the best overall chess in the event, but in the end, his undoing was playing too cautiously and conservatively early. About the double round-robin format ---- it was well-regarded going in, and worked out decently this time around. But in a parallel universe not so far away, Carlsen, Kramnik, Aronian and Svidler are all part of a four-way tie for first place. Imagine the ruckus that would have been stirred up by that clusterf***. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted April 1, 2013 Report Share Posted April 1, 2013 People are complaining about the tiebreak, I think more wins is a great way to do it. Encouraging sharp chess is good for the game, and what a more effective way than to count a win and a loss as superior to two draws for the purpose of sending a challenger to play for the title? Kramnik may have played the best overall chess in the event, but in the end, his undoing was playing too cautiously and conservatively early. When did they amend the tiebreak to this ? I was used to it being done by countback ie Results against each otherResults agains each other and 3rdResults against each other + 3rd + 4th etc and on that Kramnik would have had the tie break. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjbrr Posted May 17, 2013 Report Share Posted May 17, 2013 lol carlsen lol karjakin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjbrr Posted May 28, 2013 Report Share Posted May 28, 2013 This game is nuts Moro - Naka Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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